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What is the intention of the latest Kia Amanti advertisement? Does it try purposely to mislead people ? From the front, it just looks like a Mercedes Benz car.
Computer software MS demands that no one comes close to their trademarks. Can the car style and appearance be copyrighted?
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snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com (aniram) writes:

Actually, designs are patented. No, really. We know that the Aston Martin DB8 was supposed to be a Jaguar, since the patent was filed under the Jaguar name and the car in the patent drawings is obviously the DB8, except for a few small touches.
I think the design patent was what Ferrari used to shut down the makers of Daytona-like body kits for Corvettes, but it may just have been general legal muscle.
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The oversized grille of the Kia actually made me initally think it was a new Chrysler model, if it's the same television advertisment (black and white, car whirling around in a desert setting).
Likewise, I saw a new style of rear bumper and tail light ahead of me one night, several cars ahead and in a different lane. I really enjoyed the soft curve of tail light lens, the sideways "U" shape of the backup lamps in the middle, the graceful curve of the outer fender. I instantly thought "ah, the New CLK!" It was a @#$#@ Honda, a new one, in a pale metallic blue, just like MB offers.
In the 1970s, we saw Ford Monarch ads that claimed "I can't tell the difference from this $40,000 European Mercedes!!"
Uh huh. I haven't seen one of those knockoffs in about 25 years now, not even restored or still running.
Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery. Still, I don't spend the money to look generic or flashy; I spend the money for the engineering, styling and uniquely distinct auto that it is. I guess we can take heart in the fact that when we pull into the garage after a day of driving, we've got the real thing.

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Yes... I think you saw the same advertisement that I saw. Anyway, for the first 2/3 of the advertisement I thought it was for MB.
Sometimes people do not realize that vehicle manufacturers share some design, development or event are partners. But I thought Kia has anything to do with MB. I knew that another South Korean Ssangyong car (SUV) used MB engine.... but not KIA ? am I correct?
Again... the design headlight which looks like "peanut shape" was characteristics of MB in the past 5-10 years ? But I also see it in Hyundai Sonata and I wondered if they were partners. But Hyundai is closer to GM than Daimler Chrysler, correct?
Or, is that "peanut shape" headlight was a design from the famous italian designer ? I also recalled that Hyundai at one time hired an Italian designer for their cars (or was it Porsche?). I could not remember who, though.

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snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com (aniram) wrote in message

Hi all, Kia is owned by Hyundai, which explains sharing of Sonata parts. Hyundai has also had ties ti Mitsubishi for years, Mitsubishi is controlled by Daimler-Chrysler, if I remeber right this gives mercedes something like a 10% ownership of Hyundai. TTFN, Bob
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Put a heat lamp on any MB wax model and just when it starts to melt .... you have a Lexus design.
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On 3 Feb 2004 12:43:26 -0800, snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com (aniram) wrote:

it depends, recently chrysler lost a case against GM, Chrysler claimed that the grill on the H2 Hummer resembled the grill of it's Jeep line
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Roughly 2/3/04 12:43, aniram's monkeys randomly typed:

Tough call. Remember when Chrysler copied the Mercedes hood ornament theme and sorta front end treatment, simply replacing the Merc logo with the Chrysler 5 point star? Mercedes threatened to sue and Lee Iacocca told them to go ahead, as the legal costs would be less than a marketing campaign claiming the cars were good enough that even Mercedes thought they looked like a Mercedes.
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On 3 Feb 2004 12:43:26 -0800, snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com (aniram) wrote:

    Patented, and this happens all the time, especially when dealing with Asian companies, whose forte seems to be modifying existing designs rather than pure creativity. Usually they use several different models and update the design (Mazda Miata) but sometimes it's blatantly clear where the influences come from (Mazda RX7/Porsche 944, Lexus/Mercedes-Benz S-class, Datsun Z series/Ferrari).     Emanuel
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[Asian car companies]

I've always had the impression that the original Datsun Z was inspired by the E-type Jaguar, not by any Ferrari of the time. Both are two-seat hatchbacks with inline 6-cylinder engines.
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And the Z was designed by Albrecht Goerz, a German emigrant to the U.S. (remember the BMW 507? Same guy). So it seems strange to characterize it as a Japanese design.
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That the car was designed by someone with a Western sense of aesthetics probably had a lot to do with why it caught on so well in the U.S. Most Japanese-designed cars of the time were pretty odd looking, with bizarre proportions and too much tack-on filigree.
The first "Japanese" Japanese car that really caught my fancy was the original Celica. I saw my first one late in the summer of 1971, and while I could tell from a distance that it was a Toyota, I found it a hell of a lot cleaner looking and more attractive than the contemporay Corona (the Camry of its day), Corolla, Carina, etc.
Now *there's* one that's fallen through the cracks of time: when was the last time you even thought about the Toyota Carina? Like the Starlet model of the late '70s, it's all but forgotten today.
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Yeah, those bizzare Japanese-designed cars, like my grabber yellow Ford Mustang Boss 302.
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Huh? Your Boss 302 was designed in Japan?
Riiiiiiiiiight...
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I didn't say it was desiged IN Japan. It was actually designed in Mexico - um, California. (Sorry slip of the hand.)
The designer was Japanese, however.
Lookup Larry Shindoa.
Brilliant designer. He also designed the early Corvettes and some Camaros. I think he died around '97.
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When did Larry Shinoda work for Ford in Japan? I was under the impression that he worked right in Dearborn.

Also the Pinto.
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Larry Shinoda was born in LA and grew up in Southern Cal. He was American, not Japanese. A Japanese-American if you want to be anal about it.
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When somebody says something is Japanese-designed, the natural interpretation is that it was designed *in* Japan. After all, we were talking about the Japanese and Western senses of aes- thetics, not people's ethnicity.

Yes, I certainly know shit from Shinoda. (It had to be said.) Shinoda was a Japanese-*American,* born in the U.S., which makes his ancestry immaterial.
The Japanese sense of aesthetics I referred to earlier is a cultural characteristic, not a genetic one. I wonder if you'd be equally quick to describe a car designed by an American native of European ancestry as "German-designed," "Italian- designed," or whatever.
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Um, yes. Check out the new Chevy Malibu.
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Earlier I wrote:
: The Japanese sense of aesthetics I referred to earlier is a : cultural characteristic, not a genetic one. I wonder if you'd : be equally quick to describe a car designed by an American : native of European ancestry as "German-designed," "Italian- : designed," or whatever.

Er, I don't follow you. What about it?
(I remember reading in C/D that it has French-made seats, and that's the only thing vaguely European about it that I know of.)
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