J. D. Power lists SL and SLK among most reliable luxury cars

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Over the years, we have heard a lot of gripes about unreliable luxury
cars.

Lamborghini's LM002 "had the durability of a potato chip," one car-
industry analyst remarked. Your typical Land Rover, one reader wrote,
is "as reliable as a drunken house painter."

And there are entire Web sites dedicated to jokes about Lucas, the
company which used to supply mediocre electrical components to Jaguar,
giving the automaker's build quality a miserable reputation that has
endured for decades ("Q. Why do the English drink warm beers? A.
Because they have Lucas refrigerators").

In other words, if you buy a luxury car, don't expect it to be trouble-
free.

In Pictures: 2007's Most Reliable Luxury Cars
But some brands, particularly Japanese luxury automakers, are known
for immaculate manufacturing. At the start of this year, half of the
market's 16 most-reliable luxury cars -- the models which earn
Consumer Reports' highest marks for predicted reliability and/or J.D.
Power's highest marks for manufacturing quality -- were Japanese,
including Toyota Motor's (nyse: TM - news - people ) $61,000 Lexus LS
flagship sedan, which the carmaker just overhauled.

Dependable Drive
The new LS is the fourth generation of the car since Lexus introduced
the line in 1989, and it has garnered more awards for quality than any
other luxury car, says Lexus. It has also won J.D. Power's Vehicle
Dependability Index study every year it has been eligible.

Lexus builds five of the 16 most-reliable luxury cars. Its slogan used
to be "the relentless pursuit of perfection," and it wasn't just lip
service.

While the company has world-renowned manufacturing methods, "the
pursuit of perfection" is implanted so vigorously into Toyota's
corporate culture that Lexus engineers its trademark reliability into
cars before they ever hit the factories. The company's designers and
engineers have mastered the science behind the creation of reliable
vehicles, and they don't need to wait to see how their technology and
engineering will hold up on the actual cars, at least not to the
extent that other manufacturers do (to test things out, other
automakers need to build more pre-production prototypes than Lexus
does).

Increasing Competition
Given Toyota's merits, we were surprised to find that several other
luxury cars compare favorably with Lexus' models, despite being issued
by companies that are hardly Toyota-like.

DaimlerChrysler's (nyse: DCX - news - people ) Mercedes-Benz
subsidiary, for example, has had reliability issues resulting in
massive recalls and dreadful Consumer Reports ratings. However, J.D.
Power has given two of the carmaker's vehicles (the SL and SLK
convertibles) its highest marks for manufacturing quality. Power
reports that SL and SLK owners, within 90 days of taking delivery of
their new cars, are seeing very few problems with features,
accessories, interior components and body quality. Could Mercedes
finally be tackling its quality-control issues?

We're asking the same question of other German cars this year. In
general, they are known for having technology that is prone to failure
because of its complexity. Yet we were surprised to see cars by
Mercedes, BMW and Porsche on our list this year.

The Findings
Our list is made of new-model cars. A car is on our list if it has the
highest marks for reliability from Consumer Reports and/or J.D. Power.
Both use one-to-five scales for evaluating quality and reliability. A
"top marks" indicates a "five" from Power or Consumer Reports, or
both. The vast majority of luxury cars are not on our list.

What's more, not every luxury car has reliability ratings. If a car
was new or overhauled for calendar-year 2006, don't expect to see it
here. For example, Consumer Reports has not issued reliability
predictions for Cadillac's Escalade and Acura's MDX, two SUVs that
were overhauled last year. New cars like these need to be on the
market longer in order for customers to report problems the vehicles
may be having. And such blue-blooded cars as Maybach and Bentley
models tend not to have reliability ratings from Power and Consumer
Reports because the vehicles' volumes are too low to make for
effective studies.

Power bases its overall manufacturing quality score on "problems that
have caused a complete breakdown or malfunction of any component,
feature, or item--i.e., components that stop working or trim pieces
that break or come loose." Both Power and Consumer Reports base their
quality and reliability ratings on owner responses to their surveys.
Consumer Reports asks owners if they have had trouble with their cars'
engines, electrical systems, paint, audio systems and other
components.

Rest assured, it's possible to find luxury and reliability in one
vehicle. And that's no joke.

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Re: J. D. Power lists SL and SLK among most reliable luxury cars

I wasn't one of those surveyed, but I certainly would have given the SLK
high marks if I were. I have a '99 SLK that I bought new, and I've had only
two problems with it. The first was a leaking windshield washer reservoir,
which was replaced under warranty during the first year. The second was one
I didn't know about: when I took it in for routine service a few months ago,
they told me their was a recall on the tail light assembly, and that they
would replace it free of charge. I was surprised not to have received a
recall notice, but in fact in came in the next day's mail.

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Re: J. D. Power lists SL and SLK among most reliable luxury cars

A few months ago I heard from a technician at a Merc garage in London that
the problems were essentially in cars built overseas (e.g. M Class) which,
unfortunately, included some bread-and-butter vehicles.

All been addressed, he claimed.

When I told him that my CLK Cab has not so far had any big issues he said he
was not surprised as it is among those not built abroad, even if not at a
Merc factory (at Karmann).

DAS

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Re: J. D. Power lists SL and SLK among most reliable luxury cars

HOOOOO BOY !!!!! Where did they find a couple of reliable mercedes
karz? I had two and would still drive a mercedes if they could stay on
the road and pass by the stealership.

mcbrue under the bridge in the trailer down by the river

06 Rexus LS430



Re: J. D. Power lists SL and SLK among most reliable luxury cars



How is that "rexus" working out for you mcbrue? Are Yamamoto and Inoue
any more reliable than Hans and Franz? Is the car as fun to drive?
Dose parking it in your driveway increase the value of your trailer?
Inquiring minds want to know.



Re: J. D. Power lists SL and SLK among most reliable luxury cars

The Rexus is no Mercedes. It is reliable - hasn't broken down yet and
it has 9500 miles on it since I got it in Sept. And the S Klass kars
couldn't do that! But it is a dissapointment as a car - it is NOT a
luxury car after you have driven a Mercedes allthough it does keep
running. I just keep hoping it will break down and strand me the way
the Mercedes used to so I can dump it. The little yellow fellows with
the slide rules just don't get it! The parts are there, but the
engineering is for show, not go. It would take several pages to list
all the ways the thing disappoints or rather just fails to meet
expectations. I dumped the old S Klass after another plastic part
broke back by the fire wall and drained all the water from the
radiator so I couldn't drive it anywhere else. Had it towed in and
fixed and then went to the local MB store and wanted to drive a new
one with the heated/cooled seats. Couldn't - only one with that option
was the owners! And a few other little things like that happened. So I
ended up at the Rexus store. Guess I wouldn't be so disappointed
except they sold me a "new" one from up in yankee country in NC that
was used and had been delivered to NC store in Sept/Oct 05 ! So the
Rexus dealers are probably less reliable and lower life forms than the
Mercedes dealers who at least do not claim to be so great and honest!
Just wish we could get a great stealership here and that Chermany
vould make the S Klass reliable! Took the new Rexus out on a road trip
through the remote parts of the West - like 2 hrs to the next human.
And the Rexus kept running but there is no way to call for service via
satellite they way you can on Mercedes. Guess Rexus figures you won't
have to call so why bother putting that stuff in. Note that when I did
call Mercedes service at breakdown times they suggested calling AAA
cause they could get there quicker so I doubt their automatic call
service is any better - can hear Hanz und Franz now telling you to get
a local hearse cause theirs is far away when the kar kalls in after a
fatal accident! Rexus engineered for show not go! Just take one little
thing - the windshield wipers have (and this is for THE BEST 06
LS430)  three speed settings and only three - an automatic that has
reallllllly flaky speeds, a low that is too fast, and a fast that is
too slow. And the wipers are a real wonder!!!! The drivers side wiper
dumps a couple inches of water in a distorting, semi-transparent river
running down the drivers windshield right where you want to look
through to see if something is coming at an angle. Dratted Rexus has
one advantage over the S Klass - the seatbelt on the drivers side has
a manual adjust for height instead of the Mercedes automatic so I can
adjust it so it doesn't hit me in the neck and strangle me. Manual
adjust in a luxury car? Yes, it is like all things Japanese, just a
little bit cheap! The belt is so thin that when you unhook it, it
twists up and gets stuck in the door! Of course I never used the
Mercedes belt cause it always tried to strangle me with that
autoadjust height. Cars are sooooooo much fun!!!!

Summary - Rexus more reliable but very disappointing, stealerships no
better even though they used to be.

mcbrue under the bridge in the trailer down by the river

06 Rexus LS 430


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I see. So that elusive thing called quality is something more than
just relibility, creature comforts and gimmicks.

I just keep hoping it will break down and strand me the way

I had the same feeling when I borrowed a friends 450. It was a big
heavy toyota.

I dumped the old S Klass after another plastic part

Well he probably did not want you to get it dirty.

And a few other little things like that happened. So I

I have experienced very few honest nanoseconds at a dealership. Most
dealings remind me of playing three card monte at a carnival when I
was a youngster.


:) Isn't technology wonderful? I don't think these gimmicks are aimed
at folks from the country. I wonder if those folks from SC that drove
into the lake on I-95 and disappeared for a week or so before the
State Police found their submerged car would have benefited from this?

Rexus engineered for show not go! Just take one little

This is a safety feature, so you only hit things at a slower speed. It
also washes the car as you drive.

Dratted Rexus has

You are the consumer from hell, of course they are trying to strangle
you. You should write a syndicated column on car and dealer quality.
Next you should buy a Jag. That would give you lots to write about.


In fact, every one of them are worse. Pretty soon there will only be
three or four dealerships on the east coast and they will be bigger
than the car companies.



Re: J. D. Power lists SL and SLK among most reliable luxury cars


    Then they defrauded you!

     How did you find out?



    I really do not understand why financially sound automotive
manufacturers allow
customer satisfaction to be determined by third party dealers.
Toyota , I think, clears
about 10 billion a year and they could afford to own the dealers.
Maybe Western South Carolina
is an area that somehow misses out on quality control efforts.

Maybe a nice CLK convertible?

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Re: J. D. Power lists SL and SLK among most reliable luxury cars

US rules?

In Britain and Germany and, probably, other parts of Europe car companies do
own dealerships.

In UK all the dealerships in and around the three main cities -- Birmingham,
Manchester and London -- not already owned by MB were bought up.

DAS

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Re: J. D. Power lists SL and SLK among most reliable luxury cars


    Ditto in Canada.... only a 'very' few independents left.  One of them
in my area.

cheers, guenter


Re: J. D. Power lists SL and SLK among most reliable luxury cars

See my above post which you answered.

DAS

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