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Hi there
I just want to let you know about what we have to deal with in Denmark, if we think about a buying a fine car like a Mecedes Benz.
Due to special taxes we have the most expensive cars in the world.
A small car like the C 240 costs 120.000 US $ (leather seats incl).
A large model like the Sl 600 costs 470.000 US-dollars which is just a little too much for the most of us.
http://www.bilmagasinet.dk/nybilsbasen/show_car.asp?idD71
(Danish car-database - 1 $ is six danish crowns)
But it is a lovely car.
There is a small danish firm, that spezializes in making these fine cars even better.
http://www.kleemann.dk /
Ever heard of them..?
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Socialism works!

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On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 11:58:47 GMT, "Thomas J. Paladino Jr."

They love their womb to tomb freebies, but like everyone else they bitch about paying for it!
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Well - Denmark is a democracy run by a liberal government at the moment.
But the prices on automobils are insane.
A standard Chrysler PT Cruiser is 61.000 US dollars. A gallon of petrol is 5,50 US dollars.
Not excactly the most car-friendly country in the world. :-)
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Singapore is even worse.
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It doesnt seem like it.
An SL 500 is 350.000 US dollars in Denmark and that is 65.000 US dollars more than in Singapore.
In New York an SL 500 is just 89.000 dollars - thats like a Volkswagen Vento with a V6 and AWD in Denmark.
Wonder why everyone is not driving SLs in the US.. ;-))
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"Jan W. Nielsen" <intetsvar> wrote in

Today is Tax Day in the US. There's your answer!
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but even a tiny economy car costs a fortune there - although, diesel cars were always taxed less heavily aswell as the fuel.
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Well I thought Holland was exspensive bud we are still lucky than $$$$$
What if you buy your car out side Denmark or buildt it your self ?????
greatings from Holland
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It works the other way 'round. If you buy a car from a danish dealer and export it, you get your taxes back. And as these taxes are so ridiculous, many manufacturers sell their cars in Denmark at a quite low net price.
Re-imported cars have quite a share amongst cars sold in Germany, as they are cheaper than the cars usually intended for the domestic market.
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Like I said, SG has no space. Car size and economy only of limited relevance.
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Jan, what's the average yearly pay in Denmark?
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Not a lot - and the income tax is extreme.
Compared to the US highly educated people (masters degree og higher) dont earn a lot - but waiters (educated in wine and food - not just people who clean the tables) end garbage-guys do earn a lot of money.. (compared to the US)
An average pay for a layer is: 45.000 Dkr a month (7500 US dollars)
An average pay for a journalist is 35.000 Dkr a month (5830 US dollars)
An average pay for a garbage-remover is: 24.000 Dkr a month (4000 UD dollars)
Not a huge difference between people like in the US, like you can se.
We also pay more than 50 % tax of our income in. You need to be a pretty wealthy guy to buy an SL 600 ;-)
On the other hand: Visiting at the doctor is completly free (go as much as you like), the same goes for hospitals. Schools, high schools and universities are free as well - and you get paid a sallory each month by the state to go to university.
I have three years of economics and four years of journalism (for free), and I visited University of Columbia in NY five years ago. Their school of journalism is not any better than the one, I went to - for free.
I dont know why, but we dontt have much crime in our country - and the legal system doesnt punish the way, it does in the US. Examples:
- You kill a police officer on duty: Life..! (The only crime that really puts you away) - You rob a bank: 6 years in prison. - You rape a 16 year old girl (but dont harm her in any other way: 3 years in prison.
Traditionally it has not been needed to punish danes anymore, because you can walk the streets safely at night time. We are beginning to see pressure on the system due to immigrants from the Middle East etc - not everyone respect society the way they should and in many ways, they begin to form a loosers-group i society, that we have difficulties dealing with. (Like some black people in the US. In Denmark Black people are not loosers at all..!)
We are use to people getting "back on track" by them selves due to the social- and welfare-system, but that does not seem to happen to poeple of speecific cultural backgrounds. '
Therefor we may have to change the whole system.... :-(
The same goes for our tax- and income-system. We experience a "brain drain", since the wages are so good for our educatede people in the US.
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Hi Jan,

Income tax in Canada is not much less and we get MUCH less. If I make 50K CDN in one year I take home about 30, maybe more if if good accountant does income tax return :-)

That's relative.

Educated waiters, nice.

both lawyers and garbage guys could be called 'garbage removers', I don't know about you but I think garbage guys are more crucial to the wellbeing of society than lawyers :-) (no offense REInvestments!)
<snip> Yes, if only the average north american knew what "socialism" is.

Jan, the immigrants from the Middle East are a much greater danger to Europe in the long run in terms of demographics than either terrorism or welfare abuse. In Germany for example 5% or more of the population is Muslim, BUT >>20%<< of new births is from the Muslim population, (worse in France, their and Britain's historical policies in the Middle East and Africa avail them to this mess) imagine what Europe will look like in 50-75 years, we'll have minarets on the Koln cathedral. However, I am DEFINITELY on the Muslim side in the Middle East. I don't agree with any of the butchery going on over there but the US must get out of Iraq and Israel must stop its terror of the Palestinian Arabs, and vice versa for the Pal Arabs.
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Most Muslims in Britain are NOT from the Middle East.
As far as your extrapolations are concerned, I propose they are bunk, as migrant populations adopt the birthrate of their host countries fairly quickly, as their social mores adapt.
Furthermore, most of Germany's Muslims are not fom the Middle east either, unless you classify Turkey as such.
Many of France's Muslims are from North Africa, of course.
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hello there mr/ms butterfly? not your real name i figure? but then I'm using only my initials myself

I believe I was talking about Muslims in general.
Here's what your country is facing, this is no crank:
"Asked about his comments that he wanted to have the banner of Islam at 10 Downing Street, Muhammad said, "Yes, it's my dream. I believe one day that is going to happen. Because this is my country, I like living here." "
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040418/wl_nm/portugal_britain_attacks_dc_2
(THE ISLAMIC CONQUEST OF BRITAIN) http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/News/Trifkovic/NewsST122002.html
From much reading that I've done and from friends living in Britain, I know that your country has a deluge of immigrants, recent and not, that are causing problems. Sure, some are fine like the Muslim family (that came from England) I sold my 300SD to, but from what I hear there are MANY problems, either you're ignoring them or are not affected by them. But then you're probably like a friend from Nottingham, who complains about all the neighbourhoods around Britain that he as a white man cannot enter yet defends English immigration policy. At least you don't complain.

I don't remember where I got my figures from but then I'm sure they're not hard to find. Ask the OECD. As for being bunk, do you have figures to prove I'm wrong or is it just that you don't like what I'm saying?

I propose the above is bunk. You got figures? How many migrants coming in? Either way, it's not like I care what happens in Britain, it's historical policies are coming back to haunt the country.

and your point? What did Izetbegovic say about Islam? All are ONE from Indonesia to Morocco? That is their mentality, same like Christians of course, nothing wrong with it but what their goals are for the western world. Though I support Muslim efforts in their own lands for independence from American and European colonialists.

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For your info, it's "Mr".
1) There was talk of Muslim migrants from the Middle East, and I wanted to set the record straight.
2) Your citations are not helpful in that the same extremist leader is quoted. He is head of the Muhajiroun group, a nasty bunch under the surveillance of the police. I guessed this before following the links you gave. They are anti-Western democracy, anti-semitic and anti-everything-else. Mainstream Muslim leaders in Britain -- at least publicly -- dissociate themselves from this groups and condemn it. Look them up yourself: http://www.muhajiroun.com /
Naturally you won't find their worst excesses on the website.
I don't know where their sheikh drives a Merc.
3) Don't have specific birthrate figures to hand but there have been plenty of examples of birth rates falling with rising properity and education. You may be interested to know this development was seen with the arrival of Israeli rule in the West Bank! Arab/Muslim birth rate may still be higher than the Jewish/Israeli one, but it was/is down from before. Similar applies to Arabs living in Israel.
4) Of course Islam (as Christianity) provides a common background for all the people who believe in it, but there is still considerable variation across the globe in people's behaviour and culture, despite Izetbegovic's pronouncements (such a great scholar and social commentator). In fact, I suggest that the Muslims of Bosnia have nothing in common with those of Afghanistan (from where 'freedom fighters in the struggle' were sent). Nor is the way Islam practised in Turkey the same as in Saudi Arabia or Malaysia. The Muhajiroun lot may well be largely from Bangladesh, but they are in no way representative of the people of Bangladesh.
I believe that the big problem we have (or had) in the UK is that we had no laws to arrest and deport terrorists from the UK. Arab countries could quite legitimately point to the UK government and accuse it of harbouring criminals. Indeed, some of these even obtained asylum in the UK, as they had not committed any crimes here. I think a new law changes this.
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i should have been more clear as to what i meant

I stand corrected, i read the thing exposing Reuters, if it is true.

:-) gotta keep it relevant
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I've snipped out the thing i stand corrected on :-)

Izetbegovic was great in the same sense that all other powerful criminals were great, I hope you're kidding when you call him great
the REAL Izetbegovic http://www.antiwar.com/malic/m102303.html http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/News/Trifkovic/NewsST102203.html http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/Chronicles/December2001/1201CIA.htm http://www.balkanpeace.org/cib/bos/bosi/bosi01.html http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/alija.html http://emperors-clothes.com/gilwhite/alija1.htm

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See below.
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I was hoping so :-)

No, no different opinion, but then everybody has a variation on the definition of "great".
Anyways, nice "talking" to you! :-)
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