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Amount that France, Germany and Russia has subsidized Saddam's regime: 120 billion dollars.
Current congressional appropriation in support of our war against terror: 87 billion dollars.
Video of Saddam being examined by an American doctor for the presence of head lice........Priceless.
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News events this morning haven't been kind to my critics. Had the advice and all-out efforts of Germany's Schroeder government and France's Chirac government prevailed, Saddam Hussein and his Baathist allies would still be murdering, raping, gassing, and funding international terrorism.
Now Saddam doesn't even have a rat-hole outside Tikrit to call his little kingdom any more, and the Mideast and world will be better for the change.
Let Germany and France receive the anger of international consumers until their governments unreservedly rejoin humanity's ranks.
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Bravo, Richard, very well stated. The true crimes of the French and German governments, along with the Russians, are soon to be revealed.

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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 14:34:27 GMT, Richard Schulman
Did he have WMDs in his pocket?
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Richard Schulman:

Brandon Sommerville:

You're so predictable, Brandon. But the nits being picked today and seen around the world were all from Saddam's beard.
The WMDs will show up, just as Saddam did eventually. Meanwhile, another of your previous scoffs fell by the wayside today: proof that Saddam Hussein was the key backer of 9/11:
=-=-=-=-=- Terrorist behind September 11 strike was trained by Saddam By Con Coughlin London Telegraph, Dec. 12, 2003
Iraq's coalition government claims that it has uncovered documentary proof that Mohammed Atta, the al-Qaeda mastermind of the September 11 attacks against the US, was trained in Baghdad by Abu Nidal, the notorious Palestinian terrorist.
Details of Atta's visit to the Iraqi capital in the summer of 2001, just weeks before he launched the most devastating terrorist attack in US history, are contained in a top secret memo written to Saddam Hussein, the then Iraqi president, by Tahir Jalil Habbush al-Tikriti, the former head of the Iraqi Intelligence Service.
The handwritten memo, a copy of which has been obtained exclusively by the Telegraph, is dated July 1, 2001 and provides a short resume of a three-day "work programme" Atta had undertaken at Abu Nidal's base in Baghdad.
In the memo, Habbush reports that Atta "displayed extraordinary effort" and demonstrated his ability to lead the team that would be "responsible for attacking the targets that we have agreed to destroy".
The second part of the memo, which is headed "Niger Shipment", contains a report about an unspecified shipment - believed to be uranium - that it says has been transported to Iraq via Libya and Syria.
Although Iraqi officials refused to disclose how and where they had obtained the document, Dr Ayad Allawi, a member of Iraq's ruling seven-man Presidential Committee, said the document was genuine.
"We are uncovering evidence all the time of Saddam's involvement with al-Qaeda," he said. "But this is the most compelling piece of evidence that we have found so far. It shows that not only did Saddam have contacts with al-Qaeda, he had contact with those responsible for the September 11 attacks."
Although Atta is believed to have been resident in Florida in the summer of 2001, he is known to have used more than a dozen aliases, and intelligence experts believe he could easily have slipped out of the US to visit Iraq.
Abu Nidal, who was responsible for the failed assassination of the Israeli ambassador to London in 1982, was based in Baghdad for more than two decades.
Source (free registration required): http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml ;$sessionid$0NPZ0OBMSBESNQFIQMGCFFWAVCBQUIV0?xml=/news/2003/12/14/wterr14.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/12/14/ixnewstop.html
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 20:45:18 GMT, Richard Schulman

Well, we did know Saddam was real.

We'll see if it holds up to scrutiny. Your last bit of evidence failed miserably once you realized that the Weekly Standard's editor, the author of the article, Paul Wolfowitz and Donald Rumsfeld are all members of Project for a New American Century, a radical group that promotes American geostrategic preponderance in world affairs and has strongly advocated regime change in Iraq since the 1990s.
Who knows, this one may be the right one, but it doesn't change the fact that Bush & Co lied through their teeth to the world to get the results that they wanted.
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wrote:

Perhaps, if we don't have to turn him over for a civil trial in Iraq for a few weeks, we may be able to have a chat with him, and find out if he placed WMDs in Syria, or still has something hidden in Iraq.
I'm no fan of our intelligence community, or of Bush's willingness to act on slanted information, but there were just too many metal shipments into Iraq, and too many reports of weapons works, for us to have found NOTHING. That's just too clean.
Maybe we'll get a better idea in a few weeks. In the mean time, let's pray for our soldiers during the short term desperate increase in attacks we can expect, and then pray for an oppportunity to get them the hell out of there, and bring them home!
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Brandon Sommerville wrote:

No, and it's too bad they nabbed him while Osama was out to the 7-11 to buy condoms...
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And that's exactly why I don't buy American cars. Well, the actual reason is that they're not worth their money (steel tarifs come to mind). The US just cleaned their own mess (they recruited Saddam to fight Iran), why would any country get involved besides for the contracts?? France and Germany are the few countries that stand for their values instead of their and other countries money.
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So you don't think U.S. money has been pouring into Germany, both government and private, since say.......WWII?

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Another load of leftist crap! Saddam invaded Iran in 1980 to seize the Shaat Al Arab waterway and got his clock cleaned in the process. Name exactly where the US directed this great ally of France & Germany to attck his neoghbors?

Exactly, that's why France & Germany didn;t want the truth of their complicity in Saddam's crimes to become public.

instead of their and other countries money. <<
Just how stupid dio you think the world is? "Stand for their values"? Are you kidding me, these twop countries are steeped in the blood of Saddam and his henchmens' crimes. French & German contracts with Sadaam were worth billions, a nice cosy little arrangement with an international despot. You should be ashamed for what your countries have done. Americans will never forget this treachery.

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You, sir, are a bloody stupid moron. Pardon my inability to be cordial but ignorant fools such as yourself make my blood boil and force me to un-Christian verbiage. When Saddam was at his worst, in the 80's the US were buddies with him. Maybe this item from those peddlers of US government propaganda will turn your light on, if a bit:
http://edition.cnn.com/2002/US/09/30/sproject.irq.regime.change /
Take a look at that picture of that war criminal rumsfeld shaking hands with Hussein. What the article doesn't mention that while Hussein was indeed improving Iraq structurally this was actually when he did his worst murdering. Rumsfeld was in Iraq right after Hussein did his gassings, rumsfeld didn't mention anything, he was only interested in business. Where the h*ll do you think he got this chem weapons and military hardware?? from the US and Britain!

Screw Hussein, he should face justice next to Bush!

What!??!?! You @$% idiot it wasn't Germany and France that killed 10,000 in Afghanistan in the last two years and 30,000-40,000 Iraqis this year!
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in Afghanistan in the last two years and 30,000-40,000 Iraqis this year!>
And it wasn't the Americans either, because your numbers are total lies, so typical of you tyrant-loving pacifists!
50 million Afghans and Iraqis may now enjoy at least the hope of freedom, no thanks to you appeasing cowards.
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Are you for real? I can't believe that there are actually unthinking people such as yourself.

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people such as yourself.<
"Unthinking"? How about not Socialist / Pacifist indoctrinated! You leftists will never come to terms with whats going on until some Islamist vermin senslessley kills you and your family so he can screw 72 virgins. You appease these murdering scum aprently so you'll be welcome at all the cool leftist whine & cheeze partys!
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You gotta be kidding me!! Is THAT REALLY what you think I am???? I know that some of my posts don't betray it but I'm actually a Baptist. I think that Muslims should be thrown out of Europe (where I'm originally from) but that doesn't mean I hate them or support their persecution in their own homelands. Socialist/Pacificst, give me a break!! me?!?!?! What's inherently evil about them anyway???? No offense, but you must be one of them nice hicks from the Midwest!! Please!! The world is not in black and white!! Get your countrymen out of Iraq and the Iraqis will cease 'murdering' them. Your soldiers were not drafted (otherwise I would feel sorry for them), most of them are a bunch of gun-happy Doom playing, murdering hicks. Sorry, they should have never signed up. Though I gotta admit I feel sorry for the latino immigrants.
Come on, put on your thinking cap and we can have an intelligent conversation.
To keep this relevant to tne newsgroup, you know what the steps are to remove a thermostat in a W126?
see ya! cp
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Well put.

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Amen. Good for Japan for sticking to their commitment and supporting us. Shame on Germany and France from putting money ahead of principle.
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