repair costs on lexus vs. mercedes

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First, my apologies for the cross post.
I currently drive an '87 300E and am thinking about making the jump to a lexus. My question is how do maintenance costs compare between mercedes and
lexus. the car I'm looking at is an ES300, somewhere between 93-96, depending on price and mileage. I plan on keeping the car for a long time; is it worth it? Also, is 8950 a good price for a '95 ES300 with 125k miles?
Thanks in advance
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True for the years that the writer is considering....but not of the '02 & '03 ES. That car, which I own, is in the same size category as the "E" Class Benz and in some dimensions actually bigger.

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Have you driven the Lexus for any length of time? On paper you could take this pretty much anyway. Behind the wheel however, there is no comparison with an E-Class what-so-ever. Yes Mercedes maintanance is expensive but that is mostly at dealer. A good independent MB specialist can maintain the eClass at a resonable price.
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Qusetion on the repair cost issue here. Parts are no more expensive for a benz than they are for saab, bmw or vw, from my experience. Are they that much cheaper for Lexus?
Also, I try to do my own work, but the labor costs seem to be pretty standard across the board, no?
Then again, I'm in NYC, where everything is generrally equally overpriced....

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well, yes and no. one time I went to the dealer to get a quote for a turn signal. aside from the cost of the part, he was including a charge for labor to install. it was. 0.25 hours. He wanted to charge fifteen minutes of labor at $90/hr to install the turn lamp. I ended up buying the part from a junk yard, and the installation took me literally less than one minute. The dealer, I've found is almost universally more expensive than indy mechanics in my area (Austin, TX)

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On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 19:16:20 GMT, "purplegrog"

Hmmmm. My dealer does stuff like that for free. I can just drop by and they'll just do it. Course the $5000 worth of repairs (covered by my extended warranty) and the additional $1000 (not covered - out of pocket) probably helps.

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MCBRUE wrote: (MB vs Lexus)

Next S will be a little big bigger again.

Yes, it definiteyl is _extremely_ expensive.
Interesting that in yesterday's issue of German car mag _auto motor und sport_ reader's letters addressing the test of the Maybach 62 in the issue two weeks earlier had a very negative tone about the Maybach like _profitable fraudulent labelling_ and _miles away from Bentley_ or _less character then the cheapest French car_. All-in-all the readers clearly stated they would prefer a Rolls_Royce or a Bentley for the same money. And imagine this: I live in one of Germany's biggest cities - if I had a Maybach it would have to be transported ca. 300 km by truck each time it needed service or repairs. No thanks, the nearest Rolls and Bentley dealers are in town!

Juergen - having a garage for cars up to 5.00 m only
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Self-respecting Brits haven't been buying Rollers in years! Now that it's a BMW it may change, though the problem may be that BMW management in Munich may not have a clear idea of what a "British/English" car is supposed to be like. Depends on who they have recruited and how much autonomy they get.
I remember reading comments about the BMW Rovers. On the interior they were something like "a German's idea of what an English car is supposed to look like"...
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Yes, now that BMW have full control over Rolls-Royce Brits may start buying them again. I agree about the appearance of the new BMW R-R. I have only seen photos, but they looked awful. VW seems to have made a much better job of continuing Bentley. I have no insight into the economics of the 'new' Bentley and R-R companies, but my opinion is that, so far, VW got the far better deal and has done a much better job (so why are they wasting time and resources on the Phaeton???).
This leather and wood thing that the English seem to do so well is a tricky thing. It's probably a good thing that Ford did not actually move Jaguar production out of the UK, as was seriously considered. I have a 2001 Merc with leather seats and some wood, and the wood looks fairly fake and the interior is nothing like a Jag, but I don't care because my decision to buy was not based on such considerations. I had never had leather seats before and, while I like them, I am still not convinced they are obviously so superior as many people seem to think. The main reasons I spent the extra money was that I was advised by dealers and others that (a) they are more robust and easier to keep clean in a cabrio and (b) not having them, especially in the UK, will significantly affect the resale value.
I have never felt that the wood finish of any Merc, whether new or W123 is anything other than contrived or fake-looking and many British auto journalists have commented likewise but it really doesn't matter to me.
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Excellent independent MB specialists can be found. There is one near me who only works on MBs, and always does the job right the first time. Labor is quite reasonable and well in line with what friends pay for their Nissans and Fords. He does however use only MB parts.
Most new cars including lexus have more complicated electronics not just Mercedes.
My dealer days ended when after paying $600 for a major service, and found the old spark plugs still in the head!

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On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 22:47:36 -0400, "Scott D"

Ummmm where do you live?

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Raleigh NC. I once saw a web site where folks added recommended MB shops, but no longer have the URL. I'll search again.

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You are right that the ES is Camry based. And that happens to be a GOOD thing. The old and no ES were not small cars, neither was the '87 E-class a large car. I think you will find that they are comparable in terms of passenger space.
Now as to ride quality for the ES, I happen to have a friend who owns a '92 Camry. It has 160,000 miles on it and is an upscale trim version. A couple a days ago he gave me a ride in it and I was very impressed with how very well it still road and with the lack of rattles and groans. The interior looked very good. No cracks in the leather. I strongly doubt that a M-B of the same vintage would have been any better. This was a Camry. I'd bet you that the ES would be even better. Nobody builds cars that hold up better than Toyota. That absolutely includes M-B, Audi, and BMW.
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There's really no way to respond to this post. Comapring Camrys and Camry based ES's to E-classes is like comparing....I don't know, I can't even come up with an analogy for it. Toyotas are the most reliable cars out there, no doubt. If you can't tell the difference between the ride of a Camry or ES and an E-class, a 5-series or an A6, your decision should be pretty simple. If you can, as most car people can, than you will be dissapointed with the ride...that's all I'm sayin'... hope it helps...
Go on Ebay and look at a 1986 e-class, then look at a 1986 camry......Still think they are comparable??? (Rhetorical question)
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Comparing an older E class Benz to the earlier ES Lexus will reveal the similarities and differences of each marque (rear wheel or front wheel drive, weights and dimensions, MSRP, cash value after five years, ownership costs, etc.). However I would say the real questions to address is how does each drive, and how does one feel driving. (More than any statistical comparison I think that is what really distinguishes the two cars.)
As for the argument that the ES "is a Camry", I would suggest comparing the two directly:
http://bongiovanni.home.mindspring.com/Camry.pdf
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Agreed- the only way to really distinguish is to drive them. I should have been clearer on the camry comments. I'm not up on the 2003 lexus & camry. Don't know if they're still the same car. In the mid 90's though, they were the same car. Same exact car, except for trim levels. Just badge engineered, like gm in the 80's.

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Don't understand what you mean by asking me to look at old Camry's vs. old E-class on eBay. If you mean the E will cost more, OK, it cost (a lot) more when it was new, was more likely to be pampered with pricey maintenance, and has much more snob appeal. An old Roller would have even more snob and cost more than a Merc and it would be an even worse car for someone who wanted a reliable ride. So what?
On the other hand you are right that comparing a Camry (or an ES) with an E-class is not really fair. The E-Class was much more expensive. In the early '90's the E-Class competed with the Lexus LS and the LS beat it severely about the head and shoulders. No question. None. Zip. Nada.
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Someone posted here asking for information about mid nineties ES's vs. e-classes, and your response is that your friend has a great old camry, and LS's are better than E-classes.... Did anybody ask?
Have you ever driven a '95 ES or an '87 e-class? That info would be on topic here.
Now you've changed topic and are comparing e-classes to LS's. I guess that's what you do when you realize you made a ridiculous argument. Change course in mid stream.You said that e-classes and camrys were comparabable in passenger space, which is true. You said that an older e-class wouldn't be any better than your friends old camry. Not true. In terms of performance, safety, handling and ride, the cars are incomparable. Come on, admit it...its ok.
Take your rant somewhere else.....
You seem to be very concerned about snob appeal- must be some sort of inferiority complex. I've had three Benzes, and they've all been amazing cars, granted none newer than a 1986. I will continue to drive them until they fail me. They haven't yet. You seem to have a problem with that- where does snob appeal fit into my reasoning?

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Grl,
If I were you, I would ride on a MB before you make a comment. It's something not pen + words can tell how safe and proud you feel when you are riding on MB. You will find that Japanese cars are just the toys comparing to a real solid car.
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Sorry to disagree, but have owned two MB E400's. Nothing but trouble. Most covered under warranty, but a pain in the ass. At least once every two weeks I would have to call the dealer to have a loaner ready because I was coming in with another problem. I would rather have a Lexus and not feel so proud, but know I would reach my destination without having to worry about a tow truck. Steve

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