I agree. As I said before, if you can't tell the difference between the ride
of an eclass and a low end lexus, you should buy a lexus, and you should
probably be on a different board.
The Lexus LS cars are no doubt comparable, but at least give me at least
some styling if you want me to plunk down that much cash....
Some of us like cars for the way they ride/handle AND the way they look. We
appreciate the classic design, and I don't think there's anything timless
about a Lexus........
Of course some might disagree....
Love those old saabs- was just looking to get a newer 900, but realized
while driving a few that saab no longer exists as w knew and loved it. It's
just another gm brand now. (with the exception of the 9-5 which is still a
Where I live, A/C is not an option, it's a necessity. We average over 100
days a year of 100+ degree temperatures. It'll be 116 here tomorrow.
Lights dimming is *nothing* compared to losing your A/C in the desert.
That can be life-threatening.
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If you don't want to believe J.D. Power, then go look at Consumer Reports
and read their owner survey results. They closely parallel the J. D. Power
results. You can doubt those results, too. Some people like to make up
excuses when confronted with a reality they don't like. Does not change the
Lexus is not a older person's brand any more than MB or BMW are. They all
cost too much for most young people to buy. All the brands know this, are a
little threatened by it and are doing something to try to deal with it,
Toyotas problem is that they have almost always chosen to build extremely
reliable, but not very exciting cars. There are exceptions like the Supra
(especially the TT which is still a living legend in California street
racing circles), some Celicas, the MR2, but not many. All Toyota needs to
fix their image problem is to build something like the WRX or Evo that young
drivers can afford (or at least aspire to) and that is fun to drive. They
certainly can do it if they want, but the corporate culture seems against
it. The spin-off brand of off-beat inexpensive cars aimed at the young
unemployed male is an interesting (goofy?) idea which I suspect will fail.
Hope so. Then maybe they'll try the WRX halo-effect approach.
I never said that BMW or MB weren't old people brands, but BMW is marketing
their brand (especially the 3 series here) to younger people (older then I
but younger then say people in their late 30's). And while people may not
like it, those 2 brands are here to stay. They're now cultural icons about
the American life. And for every brand that our family has had none has been
perfect, there were cars that were better then others some that were worse.
I've had the pleasure of being able to drive a Consumers Digest Best Buy car
for a few years, a new Buick LeSabre. The first time it rained one
windshield wiper wouldn't work. Later the intake manifold broke. I'm not
saying that people shouldn't believe them, but would you take advice from a
stranger about how to spend your money ? All in all, if I buy a car I'll go
with ones that I want, not what others say to get. I also agree that Toyotas
are extremely reliable, my neighbor has a 96 Camry and nothing's gone wrong
while I have another neighbor that has a Lexus LS200 (or something like
that) and he has over 250,000 miles without any major problems. Like this
quote says best "Jim Press the chief operating officer of Toyota Motor Sales
USA, points out that "people don't want to buy the products their parents
Funny you should say that. My family had a Buick Park ave somewhere around
1986.... ranked high in JD surveys. Needed a new front axle, tranny and i
can't remember what else.... all before 50k. I drive whats good to methrough
my experience, regardless of JD Power. I've had ridiculously reliable saabs
that JD said were horrible too. Bottom line is, some people
take their car to the dealer because a brake light bulb has burnt out, and
they report that as a problem the same as if the head gasket went....
Mercedes Benz is considered an old persons brand in Europe. Indeed, when I
first took my crappy car back for creaking from windscreen, dashboard, and
door pillars the salesman who sold me my car said "most of our customers are
so old they don't notice faults like that"!!!!!
No thanks on the number, I think I'll pass. My family would get kind of mad
if I called there from here in the US of A. I said I doubted it, never said
it was impossible. Here at the dealership that I went to they were nothing
but courteous with me even though I didn't have a car of my own and I looked
like I couldn't afford a MB.
Well, I don't think that they'd get mad. But when asked who I called and why
it may get weird. "Yes, I called over there...I wanted to see if this guy on
the newsgroup was right...". With our plan a call to Hawaii for an hour and
a half cost ~$75 (but then again I was also upnorth at our farm so I don't
know the other prices up there). I know that dealers aren't the quickest
answering the phone. BTW, yes I have called abroad to Poland, France,
Britain, and Germany. The first three for family and the last one to talk
with my father who was there on business. And I'll be calling all over
Europe to get hotel reservations (can't get car reservations as I'm only
18...maybe I'll use my dad's company car while he's there) for when I go
this winter (at least that's a decent reason, unlike calling to ask if
someone really said what was claimed). Ceci est la vie.
Sales people of expensive stuff can be remarkably candid if the mood strikes
them. I recall a salesman/audiophile in a high end store I was in who
bemoaned the death of high-end audio and the fact that the only really
profitable part of their business was selling big bucks home theater
installations to doctors and other professionals who were building expensive
new houses and who only really cared that the audio system blended into the
decor and was assembled from pricey brand components, but cared little about
how the system actually sounded. I think this description captures the
sentiments of the typical (not all) BMW/MB customer in this country quite
I would guess (in the USA at least) the repair costs would be less for
a Jap car then an MB. Many shops might see you driving an MB and
might try and rip you off. And many shops don't care what you drive
and might try and rip you off.
It would be better to ask the same question to a mechanic that you
trust to do work on your ride(s)
Overall, old Jap cars are cheaper to take care of and fix.
Having nice stuff cost money (can be applied to cars and women)...even
the parts are expensive, lol.
The price for the 124.133 is about $8000 pending condition. It is the most
reliable 124 one could own. No tune ups, wires, plugs, etc. and great
mileage. It is also a tank which would save your life even if you were hit
broadside by a car going 50mph! It will go 400,000 miles before major
expense (replacing the head).Parts are not expensive (from Rusty Cullen at
800-741-5252) and the car is easy to work on unless you deal with mechanics
who only fix American cars. It can be kept almost new in terms of ride if
o.e. shocks are replaced with new Bilsteins. It rides better and shifts
better if the "H" fitting at the end of the hose coming off the vacuum pump
(front of engine) is replaced with an "F" fitting (part#601-078-06-45) and
the two left vacuum tube are deleted. This will increase the vacuum
substantially. Both cars require minimal maintenance but the turbo gets
better mileage is more durable. I would keep the Mercedes. Why buy acopy
when you own an original? P.
The problem is that, OK, maybe SOME Mercedes engines are still
bulletproof....but all of the electronics are still temperamental and costly
to maintain/repair while that engines supposedly goes 400,000 miles.
drive train were bulletproof, but the heater/air conditioning had to be
replaced, the hydraulic vacuums for the doors had to be replaced, and the
trunk had stopped functioning again, the S.R.S. light had come on and the
quote was $140 to diagnose, and repairs possibly in the thousands.
All stuff that could be fixed, but if you have to pay a mechanic (as I do)
then it is thousands of dollars. I turned mine into an Audi S8 with an
extended warrranty, and got a much faster, much better handling, more
comfortable, better appointed car (2002 model). Quite happy with the
We then got a Lexus RX330 for my wife, and she couldn't be happier.
Intellichoice, Consumer Reports, and so on, give Lexus very high marks for
reliability. Much better than modern Mercedes.
I don't think I'll be back to a Mercedes. We'll see how the Audi holds up.
Since it is an S8, which was the top of their line in 2002 it might do
better than other Audis, which have about the same reputation as modern
Mercedes, except that Audi seems to be on its way "up" and Mercedes seems to
be on its way "down" the reliability scales.
Lexus remains very solid.
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