Why car repairs in the USA can be bad and slow

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This reminds me. A custom shop around here has a sign up that says
We do 3 kinds of work here. You pick 2. If it's fast and good it won't be cheap If it's fast and cheap it won't be good If it's good and cheap it won't be fast.
Richard

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dies gedichtet:

I know that many americans are not very fond of people from other countries, which criticise the way they run their country. Nevertheless: The low quality of labor in the US may also result out of a lack of mandatory training. In Germany it is common that you have a three year training before you can call yourself a car mechanic. If you want to run your own repair shop you either have to get the master car mechanic degree (Kfz-Meister), or you have to employ such a person in your company.
The lots of regulations you have to fulfill in Germany before you are allowed to run a company to repair cars, toilets or TV sets, are often regarded as being "socialistic" and against the idea of free enterprises. At least this principle grants a certain level of craftmanship (which you can see very accurately if you compare the finish of an US made Mercedes to a Mercedes made in Germany.
BTW: A car mecanic in Germany gets some 15 USD per hour (Tariff negotiated by workers union). How much do they pay in the USA?
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Imho it is no different than anything else: EVERY thing must be fast and easy and totally completed within 50 minutes (exlcuding commericals)...that's the mentality: money for nothing! That's the American way - there is no premium on quality - if quality ever existed in the U$A it was long before my time - it's the 'I want mine NOW' to hell with you' philosophy. A good mechanic in the u$a is rarer than gold. They don't care - just give them the $5g and if your car gets down the block, fine, if it doesn't tough nuggies! That's your problem. The u$a is a litiguous society - people have to be forced to do what they are paid to do. .. the only way to get their attention is to hit their pocketbook and that means take them to court! Just look at the military in Iraq and elsewhere - whinning to come home to mommy. They are a spoiled bunch who've never done a day's work in their lives and the little taste of it in the desert has them crying for mommy...when they aren't in 'war' they are grossly overpaid for an estimated 40 hours of work per month and 25 of that is running (jogging) on the highway in their designer tennis shoes and warm-up suits. What a pity. Indeed the u$a is not like it used to be. It won't be long until the rest of the world sees the myth - then it will be 'katy bar the door'. So the shotty mechanics are just part of what America is all about -
: : > Not enough auto mechanics: : > : > http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/business/6387113.htm : > : : I know that many americans are not very fond of people from other : countries, which criticise the way they run their country. Nevertheless: : The low quality of labor in the US may also result out of a lack of : mandatory training. In Germany it is common that you have a three year : training before you can call yourself a car mechanic. If you want to run : your own repair shop you either have to get the master car mechanic : degree (Kfz-Meister), or you have to employ such a person in your : company. : : The lots of regulations you have to fulfill in Germany before you are : allowed to run a company to repair cars, toilets or TV sets, are often : regarded as being "socialistic" and against the idea of free enterprises. : At least this principle grants a certain level of craftmanship (which you : can see very accurately if you compare the finish of an US made Mercedes : to a Mercedes made in Germany. : : BTW: A car mecanic in Germany gets some 15 USD per hour (Tariff : negotiated by workers union). How much do they pay in the USA? : : -- : please replace spam-muelleimer with fk-newsgroups for e-mail contact : : Time Flies Like An Arrow - Fruit Flies Like A Banana
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Imho it is no different than anything else: EVERY thing must be fast and easy and totally completed within 50 minutes (exlcuding commericals)...that's the mentality: money for nothing! That's the American way - there is no premium on quality - if quality ever existed in the U$A it was long before my time - it's the 'I want mine NOW' to hell with you' philosophy. A good mechanic in the u$a is rarer than gold. They don't care - just give them the $5g and if your car gets down the block, fine, if it doesn't tough nuggies! That's your problem. The u$a is a litiguous society - people have to be forced to do what they are paid to do. .. the only way to get their attention is to hit their pocketbook and that means take them to court! Just look at the military in Iraq and elsewhere - whinning to come home to mommy. They are a spoiled bunch who've never done a day's work in their lives and the little taste of it in the desert has them crying for mommy...when they aren't in 'war' they are grossly overpaid for an estimated 40 hours of work per month and 25 of that is running (jogging) on the highway in their designer tennis shoes and warm-up suits. What a pity. Indeed the u$a is not like it used to be. It won't be long until the rest of the world sees the myth - then it will be 'katy bar the door'. So the shotty mechanics are just part of what America is all about -
Geez I'd hate to think what would happen if you didn't have this NG as an outlet for your fury............
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Alexander S. Wood wrote:

So I think we are clearly performing a valuable service for all mankind by simply being here for "Helen". But sheesh, what an unfortunate point of view she has. Sure we Americans have a few rough spots but we are all in this together after all. Who knows, maybe we can make things a little better by tipping the waitress a little extra next time or refraining from flipping off that rude BMW driver (well, at least consider the BMW driver thing). I always think of McBrue when I read a post like Helen's. Just sitting down there under the bridge watching life go by and happy to be part of it... Dale (not Camille)
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: > Imho it is no different than anything else: EVERY thing must be fast and : > easy and : > totally completed within 50 minutes (exlcuding commericals)...that's the : > mentality: : > money for nothing! That's the American way - there is no premium on : > quality - if : > quality ever existed in the U$A it was long before my time - it's the 'I : > want mine NOW' : > to hell with you' philosophy. A good mechanic in the u$a is rarer than : > gold. They don't : > care - just give them the $5g and if your car gets down the block, fine, if : > it doesn't tough : > nuggies! That's your problem. The u$a is a litiguous society - people : > have to be forced : > to do what they are paid to do. .. the only way to get their attention is to : > hit their pocketbook : > and that means take them to court! Just look at the military in Iraq and : > elsewhere - whinning : > to come home to mommy. They are a spoiled bunch who've never done a day's : > work in their : > lives and the little taste of it in the desert has them crying for : > mommy...when they aren't in : > 'war' they are grossly overpaid for an estimated 40 hours of work per month : > and 25 of that : > is running (jogging) on the highway in their designer tennis shoes and : > warm-up suits. What : > a pity. Indeed the u$a is not like it used to be. It won't be long until : > the rest of the world : > sees the myth - then it will be 'katy bar the door'. So the shotty : > mechanics are just part : > of what America is all about - : > : > : > : > Geez I'd hate to think what would happen if you didn't have this NG as an : > outlet for your fury............ : : : So I think we are clearly performing a valuable service for all mankind : by simply being here for "Helen". But sheesh, what an unfortunate point : of view she has. : Sure we Americans have a few rough spots but we are all in this together : after all. : Who knows, maybe we can make things a little better by tipping the : waitress a little extra next time or refraining from flipping off that : rude BMW driver (well, at least consider the BMW driver thing). : I always think of McBrue when I read a post like Helen's. Just sitting : down there under the bridge watching life go by and happy to be part of : it... : Dale (not Camille) : Well it isn't usually my perspective on things, but after this week's experience it was the straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak. I've received some good information from this ng and I am appreciative, howsomeever, if the shoe fits.... ;) Helen
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How exactly does one get to be this ignorant. I hope you are 19 years old.... I'd hate to think your post has the benefit of any world experience....
You see one soldier on the news who has reaped the benefits of the military life he chose, and who now doesn't wan't to do his job, and you think that's indicative of americans in general??? It's a volunteer army, and they did one hell of a job. Doesn't sound spoiled to me. Ironically, I've just come home from a party for two friends who returned from Iraq.... They did what they had to do, and will continue to do so, without whining....
Your statement that people are grossly overpaid implies that the money they are being paid should go elsewhere... to who? The government? Please explain......

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dies gedichtet: : : > Not enough auto mechanics: : > : > http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/business/6387113.htm : > : : I know that many americans are not very fond of people from other : countries, which criticise the way they run their country. Nevertheless: : The low quality of labor in the US may also result out of a lack of : mandatory training. In Germany it is common that you have a three year : training before you can call yourself a car mechanic. If you want to run : your own repair shop you either have to get the master car mechanic : degree (Kfz-Meister), or you have to employ such a person in your : company. : : The lots of regulations you have to fulfill in Germany before you are : allowed to run a company to repair cars, toilets or TV sets, are often : regarded as being "socialistic" and against the idea of free enterprises. : At least this principle grants a certain level of craftmanship (which you : can see very accurately if you compare the finish of an US made Mercedes : to a Mercedes made in Germany. : : BTW: A car mecanic in Germany gets some 15 USD per hour (Tariff : negotiated by workers union). How much do they pay in the USA? : : -- : please replace spam-muelleimer with fk-newsgroups for e-mail contact : : Time Flies Like An Arrow - Fruit Flies Like A Banana
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From what I hear a master tech at a big shop gets around 150grand USD per year Richard
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All I know is some guy called Pat Goss (he owns a shop and he has a radio show) asking about how much mechanics make because that's what his son does. Pat Goss said the master techs at his shop make 150,000USD. Also, I read in US News and World Report that the average salary of a european car mechanic in the US is 110,000USD/year. Richard
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On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 14:57:54 -0400, "marlinspike"

    I'd say that's close, at least. The mechanic assigned to my car at the RR dealership makes well over $100k/year, and the guy that owns the shop were I get my Porsche worked on doesn't seem to be struggling - he owns 3 late-model Porsches, a Ferrari, and an S-Class.     I'd lay odds the best-paid mechanics are Ferrari dealership technicians. :-)     Emanuel
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Frank Kemper wrote:

I am not one of those Americans.
From what I have seen, those who are unwilling to listen to criticism are much more likely to make serious mistakes.
I grew up in an area about 60 miles north of Philadelphia and back then there was a huge thriving steel mill, a huge thriving truck manufacturing plant, a pompous country club where the top managers and their socialite cronies played golf and a good economy with a healthy cosmopolitan liberal attitude.
However whenever anything would be questioned - in my experience - the response was "Thats the way its always been done".
Now the Steel plant is gone, the Truck plant is gone, most of the rest of the economy appears gone. The area has descended into a subtle, mean, angry squabbling fight over diminished resources all glossed over by a thin veneer of civilization.
Its better to seek criticism while it can still do some good.
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So it should be better in Atlanta, is/was this not one of the US's fastest growing cities?
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Dori Schmetterling wrote:

In these situations moving is usually the answer. Many have left. Atlanta is also, from what I hear as well as infer, a very good selection for many many reasons.
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I think this problem is more prevalent in the big cities of the US. Simply put, the mechanics will always have another customer tomorrow, now matter how poorly they treat you. I also have a saab, and i take it to kingston, NY (upstate) every time I need work done on it. They do an excellent job every time, because they can't afford damage to their reputations.... It's very different from the overcrowded population centers...

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On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 10:55:02 -0400, greek_philosophizer

Goddam! ''There's not a dealership in South Florida that doesn't have at least one technician earning at least $100,000,'' Keller said.
I would have thought they would be queueing up, $100k for turning spanners.....
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