Why car repairs in the USA can be bad and slow

Not enough auto mechanics:

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greek_philosophizer
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This reminds me. A custom shop around here has a sign up that says

We do 3 kinds of work here. You pick 2. If it's fast and good it won't be cheap If it's fast and cheap it won't be good If it's good and cheap it won't be fast.

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marlinspike

greek_philosophizer hat in Betrag news: snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com dies gedichtet:

I know that many americans are not very fond of people from other countries, which criticise the way they run their country. Nevertheless: The low quality of labor in the US may also result out of a lack of mandatory training. In Germany it is common that you have a three year training before you can call yourself a car mechanic. If you want to run your own repair shop you either have to get the master car mechanic degree (Kfz-Meister), or you have to employ such a person in your company.

The lots of regulations you have to fulfill in Germany before you are allowed to run a company to repair cars, toilets or TV sets, are often regarded as being "socialistic" and against the idea of free enterprises. At least this principle grants a certain level of craftmanship (which you can see very accurately if you compare the finish of an US made Mercedes to a Mercedes made in Germany.

BTW: A car mecanic in Germany gets some 15 USD per hour (Tariff negotiated by workers union). How much do they pay in the USA?

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Frank Kemper

Imho it is no different than anything else: EVERY thing must be fast = and easy and totally completed within 50 minutes (exlcuding commericals)...that's the = mentality: money for nothing! That's the American way - there is no premium on = quality - if quality ever existed in the U$A it was long before my time - it's the 'I = want mine NOW' to hell with you' philosophy. A good mechanic in the u$a is rarer than = gold. They don't care - just give them the $5g and if your car gets down the block, fine, = if it doesn't tough nuggies! That's your problem. The u$a is a litiguous society - people = have to be forced to do what they are paid to do. .. the only way to get their attention = is to hit their pocketbook and that means take them to court! Just look at the military in Iraq = and elsewhere - whinning to come home to mommy. They are a spoiled bunch who've never done a = day's work in their lives and the little taste of it in the desert has them crying for = mommy...when they aren't in 'war' they are grossly overpaid for an estimated 40 hours of work per = month and 25 of that is running (jogging) on the highway in their designer tennis shoes and = warm-up suits. What a pity. Indeed the u$a is not like it used to be. It won't be long = until the rest of the world=20 sees the myth - then it will be 'katy bar the door'. So the shotty = mechanics are just part of what America is all about -=20

"Frank Kemper" wrote in message = news:Xns93C4CD712146Eeldosampleman@130.133.1.4... : greek_philosophizer hat in Betrag=20 : news: snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com dies gedichtet: :=20 : > Not enough auto mechanics: : >=20 : >

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>=20 :=20 : I know that many americans are not very fond of people from other=20 : countries, which criticise the way they run their country. = Nevertheless:=20 : The low quality of labor in the US may also result out of a lack of=20 : mandatory training. In Germany it is common that you have a three year =

: training before you can call yourself a car mechanic. If you want to = run=20 : your own repair shop you either have to get the master car mechanic=20 : degree (Kfz-Meister), or you have to employ such a person in your=20 : company. :=20 : The lots of regulations you have to fulfill in Germany before you are=20 : allowed to run a company to repair cars, toilets or TV sets, are often =

: regarded as being "socialistic" and against the idea of free = enterprises.=20 : At least this principle grants a certain level of craftmanship (which = you=20 : can see very accurately if you compare the finish of an US made = Mercedes=20 : to a Mercedes made in Germany. :=20 : BTW: A car mecanic in Germany gets some 15 USD per hour (Tariff=20 : negotiated by workers union). How much do they pay in the USA? :=20 : --=20 : please replace spam-muelleimer with fk-newsgroups for e-mail contact :=20 : Time Flies Like An Arrow - Fruit Flies Like A Banana

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Helen

Geez I'd hate to think what would happen if you didn't have this NG as an outlet for your fury............

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Alexander S. Wood

From what I hear a master tech at a big shop gets around 150grand USD per year Richard

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marlinspike

So I think we are clearly performing a valuable service for all mankind by simply being here for "Helen". But sheesh, what an unfortunate point of view she has. Sure we Americans have a few rough spots but we are all in this together after all. Who knows, maybe we can make things a little better by tipping the waitress a little extra next time or refraining from flipping off that rude BMW driver (well, at least consider the BMW driver thing). I always think of McBrue when I read a post like Helen's. Just sitting down there under the bridge watching life go by and happy to be part of it... Dale (not Camille)

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Camille

: rude BMW driver (well, at least consider the BMW driver thing). : I always think of McBrue when I read a post like Helen's. Just sitting =

: down there under the bridge watching life go by and happy to be part = of=20 : it... : Dale (not Camille) :=20 Well it isn't usually my perspective on things, but after this week's = experience it was the straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak. I've = received some good information from this ng and I am appreciative, howsomeever, if the = shoe fits.... =20 ;) Helen

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Helen

How exactly does one get to be this ignorant. I hope you are 19 years old.... I'd hate to think your post has the benefit of any world experience....

You see one soldier on the news who has reaped the benefits of the military life he chose, and who now doesn't wan't to do his job, and you think that's indicative of americans in general??? It's a volunteer army, and they did one hell of a job. Doesn't sound spoiled to me. Ironically, I've just come home from a party for two friends who returned from Iraq.... They did what they had to do, and will continue to do so, without whining....

Your statement that people are grossly overpaid implies that the money they are being paid should go elsewhere... to who? The government? Please explain......

Huh?

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: : I know that many americans are not very fond of people from other : countries, which criticise the way they run their country. Nevertheless: : The low quality of labor in the US may also result out of a lack of : mandatory training. In Germany it is common that you have a three year : training before you can call yourself a car mechanic. If you want to run : your own repair shop you either have to get the master car mechanic : degree (Kfz-Meister), or you have to employ such a person in your : company. : : The lots of regulations you have to fulfill in Germany before you are : allowed to run a company to repair cars, toilets or TV sets, are often : regarded as being "socialistic" and against the idea of free enterprises. : At least this principle grants a certain level of craftmanship (which you : can see very accurately if you compare the finish of an US made Mercedes : to a Mercedes made in Germany. : : BTW: A car mecanic in Germany gets some 15 USD per hour (Tariff : negotiated by workers union). How much do they pay in the USA? : : -- : please replace spam-muelleimer with fk-newsgroups for e-mail contact : : Time Flies Like An Arrow - Fruit Flies Like A Banana

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Chris O'Malley

I think this problem is more prevalent in the big cities of the US. Simply put, the mechanics will always have another customer tomorrow, now matter how poorly they treat you. I also have a saab, and i take it to kingston, NY (upstate) every time I need work done on it. They do an excellent job every time, because they can't afford damage to their reputations.... It's very different from the overcrowded population centers...

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Chris O'Malley

I am not one of those Americans.

From what I have seen, those who are unwilling to listen to criticism are much more likely to make serious mistakes.

I grew up in an area about 60 miles north of Philadelphia and back then there was a huge thriving steel mill, a huge thriving truck manufacturing plant, a pompous country club where the top managers and their socialite cronies played golf and a good economy with a healthy cosmopolitan liberal attitude.

However whenever anything would be questioned - in my experience - the response was "Thats the way its always been done".

Now the Steel plant is gone, the Truck plant is gone, most of the rest of the economy appears gone. The area has descended into a subtle, mean, angry squabbling fight over diminished resources all glossed over by a thin veneer of civilization.

Its better to seek criticism while it can still do some good.

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greek_philosophizer

Goddam! ''There's not a dealership in South Florida that doesn't have at least one technician earning at least $100,000,'' Keller said.

I would have thought they would be queueing up, $100k for turning spanners.....

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miknik

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marlinspike

I'd say that's close, at least. The mechanic assigned to my car at the RR dealership makes well over $100k/year, and the guy that owns the shop were I get my Porsche worked on doesn't seem to be struggling

- he owns 3 late-model Porsches, a Ferrari, and an S-Class. I'd lay odds the best-paid mechanics are Ferrari dealership technicians. :-) Emanuel

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Emanuel Brown

So it should be better in Atlanta, is/was this not one of the US's fastest growing cities?

DAS

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Reply to
Dori Schmetterling

In these situations moving is usually the answer. Many have left. Atlanta is also, from what I hear as well as infer, a very good selection for many many reasons.

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greek_philosophizer

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