Better Car VTS or VTR

VTS.

Both are excellent cars, dynamically. It really comes down to whether you want the extra straight line performance of the VTs (which basically means whether you want to pay the extra insurance premium or not).

Not very difficult to chose... VTS. Better intertior, passenger airbag (apparently the airbags never go off in accidents though so forget this), standard alarm, nicer alloys and very perky engine. Wish i'd bought something better built. Try Vauxhall, Ford or something german instead.. Mine rattled like mad after 3 months which I found very annoying - dealers say "they're all like that"

VTS had good handling but can let go very easily without much provoking. Don't be fooled by the free insurance, it's to get you to buy a (fast) tin box on wheels!

Dave

The only thing Vauxhall/Ford or Anyone german offer by way of competition is the Lupo GTi, and they're just TOO gay :)

Aye, its just a shame about the reputation they have - because they are genuinely good cars.

I'd have a Punto HGT myself.

It was bought en masse by people who's idea of serious driving was Gran Tourismo. Hence, yes, to those people it does 'let go' very easily.

The 'kiddies' rushing to sell them after the free insurance has run out is one of the most memorable - and amusing - things of the Saxo generation :)

Evo's "Starter Motors" feature went on about the rather sudden sidewaysness of the Saxo / 106, and how it was nice that the C2 was more subdued. I'd hope the writers for Evo can drive half way well.

itsd being modded anyway

What sort of modding? If you're trying to make something properly quick, you might as well start with the VTS as it'll already have better brakes and a better engine. If you're putting on spoilers and alloys then they VTS will be slowed down less. I'd sooner have a 106 GTi over them both though. Pretty much the same car but with different gearing IIRC (slower 0-60 because of the gearing, but apparently better to drive).

VTR is grp 7 insurance and the VTS is grp 14.

(if that helps)

I know someone who has a 106 GTi, looked at saxo's and didn't enjoy the drive. He also got a saxo owner to sell his VTR and buy one too!

Not what you were looking for sorry ;-)

That comes down to the definition of "better" or as it's a saxo "car". You will loose less on the VTR in depreciation and running costs. (They both loose about the same in value but the VTS will cost more to run (£35 more VED, 21% more petrol used & higher insurance.)) Both also only get 2 stars in the NCAP tests (to put it another way even the Sirion & Matiz are safer as are Polos and Fiestas that are 5+ years older).

So the VTR is cheaper to buy & run but the VTS is 1.6 seconds quicker to 62 (I don't believe that's a fair comparison as I bet the VTS will hit 62 in 2nd and need the bolts revving off), the VTS has some extra spec as well such as an oil gauge & split fold rear seats the question is can you afford the extra £2k over a VTR and the extra running costs.

Oh just spotted the VTR doesn't have ABS as standard.

Its a shame people assume they're crap just cos, as a rule, they're driven by wankers :) They are very good cars...

Bar the safety rating, tax banding (come on should a supermini be in band D?), oh and there French. ;)

The problem is that there are so many better small cars (if not quicker) for the same money. It's hard to believe that they are still asking £10k for a VTR and £12 for the VTS for that you could be in a Yaris, Jazz, Micra all much better cars if lacking the "street cred" with the max power types. Or how about relatively quick, safe (4 NCAP stars), well built car with band A tax and that gets you 2/3s more mpg, ok it's a Skoda but should you let that put you off? (It's also easy to get quite a power boost from the engine if you want more performance). There are probably even better cars for under £12k I would plump for the Fabia vRS or the Mini cooper, you pays your money you takes your choice I value safety & the extra cash in my pocket over shaving a few 10ths of my 0-62 time as I don't remember the last time I needed to go from a standing start to over the NSL for single carriageway roads in less than 9 seconds.

Shame about the brakes. Or lack there-of.

Tim..

Um ?

Unless you have some serious insurance-issues, there's no reason to go for the lesser VTR.

Gearing is almost identical - makes no difference to the drive.

Buy the 106 GTi because it's got leather, and cos it looks better, and cos it's Pug not Citroen. But it costs plenty more...

?!?!?

Tell him he's a fool. Apart from the minimally different bodywork, the 106 and Saxo are *identical*.