FAO Tim Kemp

Can we add that German cars are built better than everything else on the planet ? Except Japanese, but who gives a toss about them. (Or is that a bit predictable ? )

To be fair. French cars are alright, as long as you're buying a simple peasant mobile. If you're buying something modern with 15 computers, don't bother, unless it's very new and under warranty...

As long as you're talking pre-2000.

"Doki" gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying:

PSA car.

Renaults really are shit.

They're so shit it's unfair on other shit things to call Renaults shit.

I had a C-reg 5. Good nick, fully maintained, service on the button. Headgasket went. Fixed that. It caught fire.

I had a E-reg 5GT Turbo. It caught fire of it's own accord in the office car park

My girlfriend (back in 1992) bought an E-reg 5, despite me telling her they were shit. To be fair, it did 38k miles in her hands until........... it caught fire.

My dad bought a brand new twingo out in Greece. It did 16,000kms, then, guess what??

Mike P

My PSA 406 has had pretty much *every* common fault known for a 406 in less than a year / approx 20 thousand miles. It's certainly been the most expensive car to maintain that I've ever owned. And one of the dullest to drive (although the MK1 Mondeo I had would probably rival it).

I never had a Peugeot, I preferred to stick to the Citroen side of PSA cars.(3 Xants, 3 Xms, 2 ZX). Apart from a snapped cambelt due to my own negligence, and XM suspension developing some sort of AI, I've never had any mechanical problems. Bits of trim drop off, but that's par for the course

Mike p

If that's your AutoTrader Ad then don't expect it to fetch much.

GLOL!

Thank you

My work here is done.

They're back to form now.

And yet, my poorly build diesel german luxo barge has so far cost me a water pump and a MAF sensor. It's about to cost me a brakelamp and a subframe bush though.

And it's good to drive, comfy and I'm not sick of it yet.

The final point being the most significant...

User error, mine were all fine and weirdly, the Renault was actually the best one :-)

Your 405 was (with all due respect) a complete junk barn. The 207 was new an shouldn't have been anything less than perfect, and the Vee scared you too much to drive it.

How do you know? I sold it to one of my best mates, we're still best mates and he drove it for 3 years before flogging it on for a profit...

a 206.

I put 12k of 'for the sake of it' miles on it in 10 months... Including in the snow, where I managed (with all due respect) to not drive into a ditch.

And the 197 was even better than all of them!

I quite like Renaults, but only the really weird big ones - Safrane, 30, Espaz.