FW: Pug 207 GTi

I got that too. Just wondered myself which Twonk wrote that? Brewer or Rutherford.

"Dan in becoming to Peugeots what SteveH is to Italian cars shocker"

er.... Successor - yes. Spiritual successor - probably not. Apparently they just felt flat, unexciting and uninvolving. Even with 180bhp, it didn't feel exciting to drive.

In fact, the 306GTi was apparently regarded as the 'bigger brother/ successor' to the 205 with the added bonus that they didn't (usually) fall apart when you shut the door.

It'd be good to have a decent pug hot hatch - they've kind of lost the plot in recent years...

Nick

I found it exciting when i drove it :) Lots, and lots, and lots of grip - and revs wonderfully.

In news:ERihf.3692$ snipped-for-privacy@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net, AstraVanMan decided to enlighten our sheltered souls with a rant as follows

Thing is, the 205 GTi 1.9 was probably the sharpest, most involving, least forgiving and most fun hot hatch of all time.

They can't make cars that are that much fun anymore, too many muppets weaned on TC / ABS / ESP etc would shove themselves through walls / hedges etc at high speed.

The 205 GTi was raw, quick and rattly but was a great car to drive, whereas the muppets nowadays want AC, TC, ESP, ABS, electric mirrors / windows / seats, auto dimming mirrors, rain sensing wipers, and all the other s**te you don't need in order to go fast. They want wall to wall airbags, seatbelt pretensioners, "soft touch" dashboards, sat nav etc which all means that new "hot" hatches need 180+ bhp to be as quick as a 130 bhp 205 just due to the sheer bloody weight of the new ones.

If they tried to make a new 205 GTi - it'd be declared "Dangerous and illegal".

I feel hard done by - i don't have the TC, ESP or auto dimming mirror. Best change pronto.

Yea, but think about what you had before...

It is - that's the problem, it's just "ok".

In excess of 180bhp ? It'll need a decent wedge of power more than that to be of any interest.

Sounds like a Cinquecento Sporting to me.

I liked the 306 GTi-6 myself. Couldn't live with one, though. Needed every single gear every single drive, had the turning circle of an oil tanker, looked too much like the rest of the range (this did have its advantages though), oh and Peugeot didn't turbocharge it either.

Sounds like they're playing catch-up though.

LOL. Yes, as the 106, the 206, the 306 were.

Spot on. Absolutely spot on there.

It would be Darwin all over again.

That and the fundamental change in Peugeot chassis engineering.

Okay slight exaggeration. The 205 whispers "pussy" when you tackle a road or bend at 90%. It shouts at you as you run the engine up through the gears, whines and rattles and pesters you to give it that extra. When you go over the limits it shuts up mind you. :)

Far too much modern stuff as electronics. Now I also admire electronics for what they do... but they can be a kill joy.

Mind you if one has cut their teeth in a 205 GTI over winter, handling any condition in an electronic'd up 206 will be a walk in the park.

Yes and I'd have one.

To be fair, the 106 wasn't too far away.

I had a *big* oversteer turn into a graceful 4 wheel drift this morning. Good, it was.

The less said about getting stuck half way up a hill, the better, though.

Hmm. Yes, it was, not as snappy-oh-my-gosh as the 205, but whereas the

I'm gonna be honest with you - i've never tried, 3rd is over 60mph - I fear attempting to get sideways on public roads at that speed. Find me somewhere with nothing to hit and i'll give it a shot tho :)

Hmmm yea maybe - but i'd say the revtastic 16v was better suited to a hot hatch. Just my view like :)

Track day?

Elvington?

Kinda. Both are good engines, but with the 1.9i-8 you have both.