Mini review.

In one of the two examples I've given, I reeled off the difference between the initial prices when new, and then the differences as outlined by price guides at the mo should you sell either on now - are you so hard of thinking that you can't comprehend that the sum of the latter is linked to the former when slinging around 'But it's going to cost you this!' style comments?

And then I've reeled off another, current example, which disproves the =A32k initial purchase differential figure you gave as well as the original example did.

In both examples, I used the *same spec* models fitted with different engine options.

In the case of the latter, I picked models with the same BHP...

In the case of the former, pre-empting your pedantry, I gave examples of the two engines which were as closely matched to the TDI as possible in the range at that time.

I've proven they've lost less if they buy a new one in the longer term, than the figures I'd proven were already lower than the =A32k you were bandying around.

You over exaggerated the initial price difference, and you failed to identify that there's still a price differential when the respective cars are then sold on later on.

Which bit is it that you missed whereby I pointed out that the fuels concerned are largely at a level of parity at the moment (and have been for some time), then?

Here, most places are charging 109.9p a litre for both unleaded and diesel at present.

The article you posted up at the bottom of your post dated November

2009 stated a difference of 3p a litre...

Do you see the key words there?

'Can' and 'some models'

I illustrated how on an atypical mid range car such as the Golf, the difference is A: not =A32k, and B: is even less in the longer term once you've factored in how much the respective models are worth when it comes to selling them on.

I'm sorry this doesn't align with your flawed opinion on the subject, but just so as you know, continuing to squirm as you are isn't making what I said any less correct, or what you said any less flawed and wrong.

If the above is wrong, how about instead of continuing as you are, you look at the examples I've given and then reel off exactly why the figures are wrong.

Another point that's just occured to me, is that for someone who likes to sneer that diesels are solely for 'cheapskate pikeys', you seem pretty fixated on how much more they cost to buy over a petrol equivalent.

Pikey. :-P

Finally, as I have said before and will say again, some of us choose to drive diesels because we *like* them and they suit our needs better than a petrol one does.

Shockingly, I feel all dirty and like I'm letting the side down when I ride my bike or take the M3 for a spin. :-P

Sorry? Did I read that right? =A31400... and not =A32k? WHOA! ;-)

Average indicates a median point... which means some cost even less than that compared to the petrol equivalent - I elected to give an example which used a mid range car, and this is reflected in the kind of cost difference involved between the petrol and diesel models in the range, and just as I said in my last post, there are plenty of examples you could reel off of upmarket cars and the like, where the difference is more than =A32k.

-- JackH

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JackH
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UK Petrol Prices for Thursday 25th Feb 2010

Avg. Min. Max. Unleaded:112.5p 107.9p 122.9p Diesel: 113.8p 109.9p 126.9p LRP: 115.5p 112.9p 115.9p Super: 119.6p 111.9p 129.9p LPG: 61.2p 52.9p 67.9p

Reply to
Tim S Kemp

I wish I lived where LPG was closer to that minimum level. Last time LPG was this high, diesel was bloody £1.30+/litre.

Reply to
AstraVanMann

Yes, over twice as much as the £600 you were claiming.

WHOA!

Reply to
Steve Firth

Nope.

Here it is again:

"To get them both with 105PS, you're looking at =A317,200 for the 1.2 TSI petrol and =A318.410 for the 1.6 TDI... so nowhere near =A32k.

Go for the 90PS 1.6TDI, and you're looking at =A317,800... so =A3600 more than the petrol."

You will note that the model with the same PS is clearly shown to be =A31210 dearer.

:-)

I used to find you rather abrasive but ultimately quite lucid in the points you raised around these parts.

This thread though, you've all but dispelled that premise and without any real help from anyone else.

Sure, you're still as abrasive... but the lucidity has sadly been cast aside in favour of yet more ill informed bollocks sneeringly presented as fact, and which when questioned, (and proven to be wrong), is largely ignored by you as you venture down yet another path of 'attack', as it were.

Whilst the law of averages states you'll maybe 'hit the spot' eventually, with every post you make, the odds on that happening are thinning out.

-- JackH

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JackH

Complete and utter bollocks, wasn't it.

In all seriousness, I'm beginning to wonder what they've done with the real Steve Firth. ;-)

-- JackH

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JackH

Yes, over twice as much as the 600 you were claiming.

Reply to
Steve Firth

I'm pretty sure they're sneaking in on some petrols nowadays.

Reply to
Chris Bartram

They are increasingly common on 4-pot petrol models these days - 2.0l mondeo/transit lump, plus I think pretty much all manual mercs since the W201. That said, I suspect that they'll last longer than in diesel applications, 'cos they have less low-rpm vibration to soak up and less torque to deal with.

The chap who bought my passat replaced the DMF with a solid SMF. You could tell the difference if you pulled away with

Reply to
Albert T Cone

A friend's girlfriend had the clutch in her Fiesta replaced for the /second/ time at 60k (!!)

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Albert T Cone

:-)

I take it the medication isn't working quite as well as it was...

-- JackH

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JackH

I dunno, are you still seeing the pink elephants?

Reply to
Steve Firth

No, but I can see that the more relevant of the two examples I gave of a petrol Mk6 Golf TDI estate vs a diesel one, as in the ones with the matched PS figures, equated to =A31210 difference price wise.

Do you need glasses or are you perhaps just clutching at straws...

-- JackH

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JackH

No, I don't need glasses, I could see the bit where you claimed a £600 price difference quite clearly. I can also see where you're allowed to swivel on the price differential as much as you like, but I'm apparently supposed to pick a value and stick with it forever.

Here's a clue, for the mathematically hard of thinking. If the average price differential is £1400 then the majority of diesel cars (>50%) cost over £1200 more than the petrol equivalent. So no matter how you slice it, you were wrong.

Not that on past form you'll ever admit it.

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Steve Firth

Poor Mr Firth... caught with his pants down and now desperately trying to regain face. :'(

Squirm as much as you like, anyone else can see who is right on this one.

HTH, HAND etc.

-- JackH

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JackH

Obviously not the one who claimed that the diesel/petrol differential was £600.

Reply to
Steve Firth

Given your previous flawed comments on where the power kicks in on a TDI, tis no surprise why you're too thick to work out why I bothered to mention a lower BHP diesel as well as correctly identify the price difference between the diesel and petrol models in the range which happen to have the same *peak* level of BHP (or 'PS', as stated by the manufacturer).

-- JackH

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JackH

Bzzt... no flaw, your concept of "power" is the flaw. "Barely able to de-skin rice pudding" is not the start of the power band.

Reply to
Steve Firth

'10 out of 10 for effort, however, lacking in both thought and content'.

Why don't you try explaining to us all about the 12p a litre price difference between diesel and petrol you posted up before and then conveniently didn't bother to qualify when others picked up on it.

The fact you felt that was something worthy of throwing into the debate says it all... MONG ALERT!

-- JackH

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JackH

It's OK, your drooling and shuffling gives the game away, you don't need to shout as well.

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Steve Firth

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