>> You sound confused about the models.
> >
> > No I don't.
> >
> >> The 2.0 litre GTI is only 115bhp
> >
> > I'm not talking about the 2.0 GTi, I'm talking about the 2.0 Turbo.
Gah, stupid error, I meant the 1.8 of course. You were right, I was confused but I knew what I meant :)
>> The GTi 1.8t is thought of as the 'proper' Gti
> >
> > Erm, now who's confused ?
> > It's thought of as just another slow and heavy Golf.
>
> Only by the ignorant and misinformed Focus driver
I don't drive a Focus.
>> the only real performance Mk4/5 Golf* models are the turbodiesels, > >>
> >> That does not seem to be the case ...
> >
> > Erm, yes it does. The performance diesels in the Golf range have good
> > acceleration and much stronger flexibility in gears. The 150bhp diesel
> > Gti is a much better drive than the 150bhp petrol Gti.
>
> A red herring to muddy the waters and you are moving goal posts! We are
> talking speed as you claimed "slow" as in your original post, not less of
> "better drive".
Erm, I meant better drive through the gears as in faster. Faster is a reference to speed is it not ?
> but only an idiot judges performance by zero to sixty times.
>
> I'm sorry you don't like it, but it *is* the only way.
No doubt you are similiary impressed by the Saxos VTs, which can beat a Golf to 60 mph, but are crap at anything else.
I could say that only an idiot would ignore independent test figures
> *and* those of the manufacturer that clearly demonstrate the 1.8t is
> quicker than *any* of the diesels. It's called "evidence"
It's only 'evidence' if you judge speed by a single measurement.
Please find at least 6 cars of similar dimensions, price and body style
> manufactured 1998 to 2004, that are quicker than 8.5 and I will agree
> that performance is garbage.
Okay dokes :)
Vauxhall Astra Turbo (197bhp, 7.0 seconds to 60mph) Seat Leon Cupra R (225bhp, 6.7 seconds to 60mph) Honda Civic Type-R (197bhp, 6.6 seconds to 60mph) Renault Clio Cup (182bhp, 6.9 seconds to 60mph) Mini Cooper S (170bhp, 7 seconds to 60mph) Mini Cooper S Works (200bhp, 6.5 seconds to 60mph) Alfa 147 GTA (246bhp, 6.1 seconds to 60mph) Subaru Impreza WRX Wagon (215bhp, 6.5 seconds to 60mph) Ford Focus RS (215bhp, 6.2 seconds to 60mph)
Not all of them turbocharged, but all of them manufactured at points between those two dats, all 'competitors' to the Golf GTi-T. All lower medium size performance hatchbacks (bar the Impreza) and all within a
16k to 20k price bracket.
And all of them do 60mph in 7 seconds or less.
Then there's the little Golf trickling behind at the back with 150bhp and 8.5 seconds. It's almost laughable.
> Depends what you're used to, I suppose. If your normal steed is a base
> > model family car then it probably seems 'well rapid'.
>
> Putting my cards on the table, I'm "used to" driving a 1.8t
I'd sort of guessed that :)
it *still* seems "well rapid"
One day you'll have something faster and look back.
> Unfortunately, if you're used to driving fast cars, then it's slow >
> Yes, a Ferrari driver would think so but that's rather irrelevant
> in the like for like stakes
It would be, if you had to go to that extreme to get something faster.
Fortunately you don't, any of the cars mentioned above as requested would be enough :)