Re: MK5 Golfs

Um, the new Jag XJ is alloy, uses an improved version of the technology pioneered on the A8 and is built to better standards.

When my mate was looking for a Bentley Turbo R he considered a LWB A8 6.0 as an alternative until he actually sat in one.

"Feels cheap" was his verdict.

Looked good though, black '54 plate with magnolia leather. Even I liked it but the Bentley is an aristocrat and the Audi was merely a shiny suited pleb.

I'd have an S8 if it was the right money.

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Pete M
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I'm not surprised it felt cheap, in comparison, ffs....

Still, I'm sure when the bills start to hit for the Bentley, or the rot sets in, he'll be comforted by the interior that didn't 'feel cheap' ;-)

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SteveH

ITYM 'built by a division of Ford that loses so much money, Ford can't wait to get shot of it' ;-)

I'm sure such circumstances do wonders for quality control.

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SteveH

There's nothing in the VAG range that gets close to a Jaguar interior, and to appreciate it you need to experience it, not just drool over a catalogue.

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Steve Firth

Well it would do if what you were saying was true. And if the VAG aproach to Audi was anything other than a parts bin approach.

Go on, tell me what parts in a Jaguar dash are sourced from the Ford parts bin.

Wishful thinking on your part. Fiat compenents scream out from the Alfa interior, and an Alfa interior isn't a patch on a Jag.

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Steve Firth

Yeah, but the Audi was £80k 3 years ago, the Bentley was £130k 14 years ago.

The Bentley has only done 13k miles and is properly pampered.

Zero, and I mean zero rot.

That's why he paid £21k for it. The Audi was £27k but in depreciation freefall.

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Pete M

Ford is selling Land Rover / Jaguar in a package that makes money. Oddly enough it's hanging onto Aston which loses money. Whatever else is going on it's not a reasoned business decision.

Well at least unlike Alfa, Jaguar hasn't been bankrupt for four decades.

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Steve Firth

Even when working it's s**te. "I know what, lets put too heavy an engine in a car that won't take it, and end up with a Golf that weighs more than a Merc E-Class."

It's a motor for fuckwits.

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Steve Firth

I'd think about it if I were you. It's neither one thing nor the other. There's no way anyone could describe it as luxurious. The interior is just nasty.

And there's no way anyone could describe it as "sporty" or even as "an autobahn cruiser". The suspension is as hard as a rock. So are the seats. Yet despite this is doesn't handle particularly well and it's simply bloody tiring to be in for longer than an hour or so. For rear seat passengers it's a case of lots of room to slide around in on a great big flat bench.

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Steve Firth

compared to proper cars, yes. I agree wholeheartedly.

but.... I like the chrome mirrors!..

No, seriously, I'm not mad enough to buy a cheap V8 XJR unless a very right one came along at very cheap money, but I probably would buy an S8 if one of those came along.

I wouldn't feel bad about breaking an Audi and selling the bits, whereas breaking a Jag, any Jag, is just wrong.

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Pete M

Well, having disposed of all of my cars to fund my wife's business, I'm supposed to be in a car poverty period. But I've just been offered a spotless X300 with a V12 6.0 engine and 25,000 miles on the clock. The seller knows that I've got a soft spot for Jags[1], and this one is perfect. The problem is that it feels a sin to drive something like that for commuting but the only way I could make it make sense is to use it as a daily driver.

The asking price is less than it would cost for a HiLux of the same age but with 100,000 more miles.

[1] OK, it's my head.
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Steve Firth

LR makes money, Jag., as always, is losing it.

They've already sold Aston.

'From 1994 until 2007 Aston Martin was part of the Premier Automotive Group, a division of the Ford Motor Company. On 12 March 2007, it was purchased by a British consortium led by David Richards of Prodrive for £479 million.'

Lets face it, both were great independent manufacturers in the past that nearly went under and ended up being owned by one of the world's biggest manufacturers of mainstream cars.

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SteveH

Ah, live and learn, I blinked and missed that one.

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Steve Firth

Soudn advice, it's the pocket money price tag that's tempting. The owner wants to get rid of it to someone he knows so it's offered at trade-in value.

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Steve Firth

Because few people want a 40-60k luxury car I guess and for those that do there's a lot of competition.

Just profoundly untrue. Have you driven any moder Jag?

I'm sure the absence of someone who can't afford to buy one of their cars distresses Jaguar no end.

Now why do I have the suspicion that the one you would like is the carbon fibre chav version?

Have you been asleep? Oh hang on, "I seen" you live on a council estate and never leave it.

Errm you have it upside down old chap, the Aston Martins are Jaguars. The used the XJS floorpan, the precursor of the *old* XK.

Then you don't have a great yardstick against which to judge cars.

So you drive clapped out old VW parts bin cars.

Then you knwo nothing. I've had Jaguars with over 300K on the clock and the interior still looking like it had come out of the showroom. The zero-voltage switches don't fail in use.

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Steve Firth

Yes the competition is from Germany, and they are infiinatly better.

Yes, a 2006 X series and nothing made me think wow this is nice.

If I can afford an Audi I can afford a Jag, they are all in the same price bracket, but as this is a Modification newsgroup I don't see a massive influx of people with Jaguars asking to modify them, and there is not a big following of modded Jag's on the internet, perhaps you would prefer uk.rec.cars.nonmodification.

Then look at the VW/Audi scene.

No, I just wouldn't have one, plenty of other 50k cars would get my money first.

No just never seen one on the road. and what is wrong with council estates?

I will take your word for it, just said they look the same.

Well I used to work for Lexus/Toyota and have had quite a few company cars in my time.

Its 4 years old, and far from clapped out, infact it still looks and drives like brand new.

yeah right :)

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ronny

That's just balls.

I said a Jag, not a Ford Mondeo.

You are wrong, there are tremendous numbers of modded Jaguars out there. There's even a company (Racing Green) in Ash, Aldershot that specialises in modding Jaguars. And another in Shoreham by Sea (Lynx) that produces some of the most desireable cars on the face of the planet including an XJ13 replica, created from XJS V12 platforms.

The sort of modding that is done is to increase the V12 engine output to

600bhp or so, and to lighten the cars by replacing components with carbon fibre, kevalar and aluminium. There's an entire club section devoted to modifying Jags of all ages.

Yes, look at it. Kevs sticking Ripspeed tat onto base 1.4 engine cars.

The fact that you have neither taste nor experience is not in question.

They are full of chavs.

You don't have to take my word for it, it's a matter of record.

Then you don't have a great yardstick against which to judge cars.

49th in the JD Power reliability list, time to change it.

So how many Jaguars have you driven/owned? Here's a clue the X-type and S-type are not Jaguars. One is a Mondeo the other is a Lincoln.

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Steve Firth

Having said that though, the S-Type seems to have matured into quite a decent motor. While the earlier models were dreadful, the post-2004 facelift ones in particular stack up well against the E60 5-series and the W211 E-class. It's still nowhere near the standard of the XJ, mind.

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Andy Tucker

The S-type R is decent, and IMO preferable to the M3 in that it has a decent interior, a pleasant ride and a better gearbox. I still find too many compromises in the other S-type models. I'm hoping that the rumours that the XF is completely new turn out to be true.

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Steve Firth

I am not even going to bother relpying to your Jaguar Fanboy post, you are welcome to your opionions on Jag but I will stick to German stuff for now, and to even think you are comparing a S type to a M3 just goes to show what little you know...

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ronny

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