Yes. Saab's Ecotec 2.0 is a square design, 86mm x 86mm; it's essentially a marriage of a shorter stroke Ecotec 2.2 with a Saab-designed head. Depending on the fans you believe, it's Saab than Ecotec - Saab took the 2.2 and decided they could do better.
That's something of a marketing trick, I'm sure - designed to emphasise the premium end of the stable I suppose.
For what it's worth, the TTiD is a silly piece of kit and for all the right reasons. :-)
The 99 engine was very closely related to the Triumph Dolomite lump, but I think the 9000 motor was Saab's own.
I did originally write, "whoooosh!" but reconsidered just in case it wasn't, type thing.
They're all developments of the Ricardo / Triumph engine, though. Which is why they're still bizarre slant-4s.
The 92, 93 and 95 two strokes used DKW 2 strokes and Ford Cologne (not Essex) V4s
The 99 was based on the same ricardo engine as triumph licensed. That was the Saab H series. They later modified it to take 16v head (might even be some 8vs arround) among other things, added oil spray jets under pistons, changed the water pump (The H series used a press in pump in the block instead of a bolk on one) and that became the B series. The B series has hydraulic tappets instead shims like a H series/triumph.
The 16v 900, the GM900, the 9000 and all versions of the 4 cylinder 9-3,
9-5 all use an engine based on B series. They made a shorter length block version to use a standard GM box in the 1994 9000 onwards, so you can bolt a 94 onwards 9000 aero engine onto a GM gearbox including the rwd box out of the carlton (Like the ppc project escort).
I followed an interestingly quick 1.9Tid on the Sharston link tonight, black with a silver 'Ring sticker on the boot lid and a satifying cloud of soot when booted.
I actually quite fancy one of those, or at least giving the demonstrator a jolly good thrashing knowing it is out of budget.
Elder gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying:
Other way round - the B-series was the very-Triumph engine, with the jackshaft for waterpump. The H-series was the later (early '80s) re- design of the block, and certainly did come with 8v heads - we had an '88
8v non-turbo.All the engine designations start with a B- (B202L for a c900 16v Turbo, for example) - but not just the four-pots. The v6s do, too. B-for-Bensin (Petrol, in Swedish)...
Doh, knew it was one way or another.
Ah, yeah obviously. I knew that ;)
And you've left out the Isuzu diesel too.
Hmmmmmm....
Don't...
I don't subscribe to the view that the 120 bhp TiD is underpowered, it rows itself along as well as it needs to. The 150 bhp version has a great revvy engine, the 180 bhp manages to combine the best of both with most of the fuel economy.
"DervMan" gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying:
Ummm, I _should_ have said all the _petrol_ engine designations... because it would be odd to label wheezels with B-for-Bensin, so they label 'em with D-for-Diesel.
I try my hardest to ignore diseasels, and usually manage.
Yeah I know. I was being awkward.
Strange words from a Citroen fan, aie.
Still doesn't hurt to cane the demo car though does it.
It does afterwards when your current ride desperately needs chipping.
It's only about 180bhp ish. I'm driving off the boost gauge aero. TTid XVD in a convertible might be a giggle if they made such a beast the though.
Does anyone else find it odd that the Fiat Powertrain twin-turbo JTD was first launched in the Saab 9-3?
Wonder if Fiat had some reliability concerns and wanted someone else to take the blame before they stuck it in any of their own cars?
(Only the new Delta has it in the Fiat Group range, but I reckon it'll hit the 159 when it receives its mid-life facelift in a year or two)
Nah not really. Makes perfect sense. It's in keeping with GM giving the higher power engine option to the brands at the higher end brands. Saab don't and probably won't use the five pot either.
Plus Saab will have Saab-ified the ECU and settings, as they do with the 120 and 150 models. The 9-3 150 TiD has a different throttle response compared with the Vectra.
Not for the first time with the 1.9 either heh! :-)
I was thinking that they'd have launched it in an Alfa first, then passed it down to other brands.
But it comes down to the reliability, I suppose....
As for the 5-pot, I think that one is an exclusivity thing - it's their 'flagship' diesel, so it really would make little sense to give it to anyone else.
Saab are only allowed to use the lower powered TT version. Fiat Powertrain have kept the higher powered version back for their own cars.
My Saab dealer has another theory, one involving servicing the 2.4... access isn't exactly brilliant with the 2.8 V6.
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