Second hand hatches

Interested to know what people think a good price is for an XR2i, J-reg,

89k, MOT, 6 month tax. Private sale, been well maintained by enthusiast except cambelt last changed at 40k afaik.

Same question for a Clio RSi, L-reg, 97k, 12 month MOT, no tax. Service history to 91k. Cambelt unknown although I would _hope_ that it has been done during service. I thought £750.

How much am I looking at for a cambelt change if needed? Is this a difficult job to do? I'm pretty good with cars but have never had the head off.

Both cars are allegedly clean in and out although I haven't seen either yet. Also, what do people think will be (1) cheaper to run (2) more enjoyable to own and drive.

Antony

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antgel
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About £500.

Around £100 tops.

Clio. Ford isn't known as Fix Or Repair Daily for nothing. Also it'll rot quicker than the Clio.

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Conor

I agree, although I like the older XR2, I was considering buying one before the gti popped up.

Clios rot as well, my freind has an M reg and the back arches have gone on that!

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REMUS

I assume you mean for the cambelt, but what about the Clio? ;)

As I suspected. My first car was a Mk3 Fiesta, so I know all about their flaws, but I also always thought the XR2i was a good-looking motor (blocking out the stereotypical driver image).

Reply to
antgel

*slap*

:)

But seriously, you seem to be looking for some one to do all the work for you. Get a copy of autotrader and check out past auctions on ebay, ask at your local dealer/garage for a quote on the bits required for the cambelt change...etc.

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REMUS

£400 (hell, I sold my K-plater for £350 3 years ago)
£400

It doesn't need to come off to change the cambelt ;)

1: The XR2i. 2: A Peugeot 205 GTI. Seriously, the XR2i is actually not a bad car to drive, much better than you'd expect for a Mk V Escort-era Ford. The RSi is a bit sloppy IMO, and the interior is (astonishingly) even nastier than the XR2i.

Common sense dictates that if you want either of these, you would actually be better served by a Mk II Golf GTi 8v - better to drive, more economical, easier to maintain, and likely to be in much better condition.

Richard

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RichardK

Hope? Hmm... best to check! :)

That's a tough call. As far as running costs go, Fords are cheap to fix. Any monkey with a spanner can repair them. Clios are reputed to be expensive to repair.

Corrision, there are more good Clios than there are good mark three Fiestas. Get a good Fiesta and you're set.

Fun to drive? The Clio RSi is a fluid, fun little monster. The XR2i isn't as much fun as standard, but this is a modifications' group and there is stacks available to modify the XR2i. There's lots for the Clio too, but probably not as much.

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DervMan

The Clio is faster, and will handle better. Ford will be cheaper to fix. Parts for the Clio aren't exactly expensive though from places like Euro Car Parts.

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DanTXD

That's what I expected, especially when I was driving a Capri around the same time (and of course, my 306 Cabrio, which for all its many faults was pretty good to drive). I was wrong. The XR2i was impressively grippy, communicative and with slim pillars, pretty easy to see out of too. Generally I had a bloody huge grin when I was driving it, since I only drove it for fun anyway.

And it was black, so didn't look too foul. They look awful in white, red or blue.

Richard

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RichardK

Doesn't that era XR2i have the nasty 1.6i CVH as used in the MkIV XR3i?

Reply to
SteveH

It does. But the Clio has something with wet liners and a block made of cheese.

Anyone knows that if you want a fast Fiesta, you get an RS1800i, or better yet, you forget the whole idea of Fiestas and get something else, ideally RWD.

Like a nice Chevette with a Vauxhall twin-cam transplant (not a real HS/R, as they're Collectable).

Richard

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RichardK

I wasn't looking for anyone to do the work for me, but I _was_ trawling Usenet for opinions, which is hardly an unusual thing to do.

I don't even want to know about ebay. People expect bargains, when there are ten million of them all typing in "ipod".

I shall ask around for cambelt quotes.

Reply to
antgel

Ebay is ok, as long as you have a little knowledge of automotive mechanics and the model you are going to view (strengths and weaknesses of the design) before the auction finishes.

Reply to
REMUS

Interesting and informative post, Richard.

I don't know where you people get these prices from, but I would love to believe that such figures are possible. But how? I have never seen either at near that price, more like twice the price. I'm all for haggling, but a 50% discount? Am I looking for cars in the wrong places e.g. Auto Trader?

Well that's good for starters.

I did ponder this. But for some reason, there was a voice in my head saying "get a 16v, it's the one to have" which I can't do for less than my £1000 budget (although if your post is anything to go by, prices that I've seen are well out of whack).

I don't even know why I care about a 16v. The main reason for doing this is that my current car (a 2.5 V6) drinks far too much fuel, and I don't get any driving satisfaction in return (crawl around London at 10mph).

Antony

Reply to
antgel

I should have added this in my previous reply to you.

I was also pondering a 205 GTi, but I'm not seeing any under a grand. I also had a similar thing to the Golf i.e. get a 1.9, which I can now see is stupid.

I note that the XR2i and Golf GTi 8v insurance are group 14, the same as the 1.9 GTi. Clio RSi 11. Hmm.

Reply to
antgel

And you won't need to, to change the cambelt. Don't know what size engine the Clio RSi has, but I wouldn't have thought either would be desperately expensive - allow £150-200 absolute tops and you shouldn't be shocked.

Reply to
AstraVanMan

Dont know too much about the XR2 or the Clio, but you can easily get a 205 GTi for under a grand. For example: peugeot 205 1.6 gt i rare miami blue, J reg, only 100,000 miles, 10 months MOT, 6 months tax, 1.9 GTi alloys with 2 new tyres, introduction kit, immobiliser, c/l, half leather interior, full s/r, vgc, £850. That's off adtrader, near enough the first avert when i put in '205 gti'. I find adtrader is much better for sub £1k cars. Also miami blue is a fantastic colour! And there was plenty more on there around the same price. Less if you wanted one that was a bit rough round the edges.

I've just bought a Citroen ZX 1.9i 8v, which aint too bad. Lots of history, tax, mot, good nick, 77k miles for £600. Its near enough the same car as the 306 XSi, so drives great, but it's half the price. You should be able to get a 16v verson in your price range. Perhaps something else to think about?

Reply to
Carl Gibbs

How old are we talking? Mk2 or Mk1? A clean Mk1 XR2 with the original 1.6 OHV engine would appeal to me.

Reply to
AstraVanMan

My old housemate used to have a mk1 Supersport with a 1.6 XR2 lump in it. Not particularly quick but nice car. Now's he's got a proper mk1 XR2, fitted with an RST box (5 speed with LSD), full cage, uprated springs and dampers etc etc and its very nice. Still needs a bit more power though.

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Carl Gibbs

Facile, tigre! (as the French would say). Re-read REMUS' above paragraph - he wasn't bitching the "for some one to do all the work for you" comment was clearly aimed at you not being the DIY type, and wanting to get a garage to do a cambelt job, rather than having a crack yourself.

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AstraVanMan

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