The 911, a mini review.

After just returning from a night in the 911, I figured I might as well write a little review about it.

For those who don't know, it's a chiffon white, 911 Carrera 3.2 of 1984 vintage (and this isn't an attempt to flog it, it's heading rapidly for "keep me" status)

The bad points first, for all those people who call them such interesting, and sometimes accurate, things as "The Ass Engined Hedge Cutting Idiot Killer"

Most irritating thing about it is the clutch. You need a minimum of 3 left feet to drive this thing in heavy traffic. We're talking about one heavy muvver of a clutch, and because it pivots from the floor, yes - like a VW Beetle one, it's like a left leg work-out at the gym driving it for half an hour in traffic. Oh, and the pedals are seriously offset to the left in a RHD one. Never jump from a 911 to an auto car if you're in a hurry. You'll hit the brake when you're after the accelerator and it's quite scary.

Next most irritating thing is the gearbox. If you're not concentrating, it's vague as hell. Baulky, recalcitrant, and generally just there to make life hell.

The turning circle is almost as bad as an Alfa 164's.

Motorway noise levels are pretty bad, 80-85mph is about the limit for a cruise on a well surfaced motorway. 60 if it's one of those dodgy course bits like on the M6 past Carlisle. Then it's ear defender time.

Speaker set up is crap. The one in "mine" has been upgraded, and it's still pretty s**te. Oh, fitting a sub is a bit awkward as well.

However, this is all outweighed by the good points of 911 ownership.

The steering. Brilliant, stupidly talkative at times, but you know /exactly/ what's going on /all/ the time. It's superb. Everything else feels very, very damped after it.

The build quality, unbelievable. Every time I shut the door it amuses me to hear the door lock mechanism clunk into place. It sounds like someone loading a shotgun. "Ker-lick", just one of those little things to make me smile.

The brakes. They work (in the dry) like no other brakes I've ever known. Anyone who thinks cars with ABS brakes have a nice pedal action is, quite simply, wrong. So easy to modulate, yet strong enough to wrench eyes from sockets at any speed. The new 911 brakes much be pretty bloody impressive.

The handling is just superb. Ok, you have to change your driving style before jumping in a 911 and hooning it some, but it's worth it. "Slow" in, fast out. Brake on the straight bits, turn in, when you feel the back tyres start to dig in give it some welly. The back will squat down, do a little shimmy, and rocket you in the direction of the next corner like nothing else. On a succession of high speed twisties you can approach at quite some speed, turn in, the steering will get heavier depending on just how much load you're putting on the front tyres, give it a touch gas, the back will squat down and tighten the line with a smidgin of oh so controllable understeer then as the apex opens up just nail it.. great fun. Just make sure you know there's nothing to make you lift off mid corner...

The soundtrack.. Ho yuss. A manic chainsaw buzz over a strangely addictive air cooled whine with the added bonus of crackles from the exhaust on the over-run when you're giving it some stick.

The engine. Smooth, torquey, strong, and with a nice little step in the power delivery around 3000 rpm. The way it revs from 3-6500 rpm is brilliant and enough of a reason to never drive a diesel as long as you live.

Ok, the thing's only got 230 bhp, but it only weighs around a ton(ish), will do near on 160 mph and 0-60 in 5.7 or thereabouts. Not /that/ quick, but you're concentrating that hard, it's screaming it's chainsaw wail at you, the clutch and the box are being friendly, you can trust the brakes (in the dry), and because it's got such immense traction and the little habit of wild lift-off oversteer, it feels plenty quick enough....

God, I love this thing.

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Pete M
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That is one of the good points for me ;)

You are going to be surprised by this, but most of what you say about the 911 handling/braking steering applies to the Skoda Estelle/Rapid too, but at lower speeds.

Especially if it is fitted with a crap tyre like it's original Barums. Only difference is, it only had a beetle style accelerator, everything else was top hung. But yes, because of arch intrusion, the pedals were really offset so that there isn't even room for a dead pedal of any kind. When learning, I had lessons in a Punto, and practiced in my Estelle. For the last two weeks before the test, I couldn't drive the estelle because getting back in the punto, I was hitting the brake, and touching two pedals together.

And cornering technique too, slow into tight bends, hard out, but I imagine in the 911, you only nmeed to drop one if any gears, while the little 1.2/1.3 of the estelle needed 2 sometimes 3 gears dropped. Yes it too suffered bad from mid corner lift off, but the earlier swing axles were more controllable, the later semi trailing cars had 911 style snap oversteer on liftoff.

Oh and the steering. On the motorway, when passing or being passed by trucks or bigger cars, does the 911 feel like it might benefit from a bag of sand in the boot? Speed in the straight line the steering felt terrible (light and twitchy and the front end lifting and getting dragged by truck wake), but on anything remotley twisty and going for it, all you need is one finger and thought control.

You know, the Celica was sportier and better looking, the Saab was scarier, faster and comfier, the Favorit was better put together but bland. But nothing has handling as well as the car I really learnt to drive (not the car I had lessons in). A big webered K&N'd, sports exchausted, Gaz shocked, Chassis dynamic springed, BF Goodrich wider tyred, Mintex 1144 padded Skoda Estelle 120 4 speed is something everyone should drive at some point as a learner/new driver.

The only safety "Aid" it had was a brake servo. No ABS, no traction control, no airbags, no belt pretensioner. The brakes worked. If you screw it up, it spat you off the road, and because of the relative lack of power you needed to learn techniques to maintain speed through corners and at roundabouts and finesse it, instead of using brute power to get out into a gap.

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Sleeker GT Phwoar

In news: snipped-for-privacy@news.individual.net, Sleeker GT Phwoar decided to enlighten our sheltered souls with a rant as follows

I'm glad it's not at higher speeds in a Skoda...

This is getting worrying...

Depends on how fast the 911 goes into bends, really. Normally get away with one gear. Occasionally two, depending on speed of approach and severity of corner...

It's ok passing trucks, but it does get lighter with speed. Bobs a lot..

You haven't got a mate called "Roger the Shrubber" have you? :-p

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Pete M

I think there's some sort of device to prevent major thrombosis in Nom's Peugeot (and I think Mercedes Benz use the same system).

Douglas

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Douglas Payne

Got asked by one of the sales drones when I had it whether it had a rev limiter. Yes I replied, my right foot and my brain. Didn't even have a rev counter until I fitted one.

You know, talking about rear engined cars, I really have this hankering to try to find a black rapid sport instead of a 9000 turbo. 90bhp in a

800kg car shouldn't feel much more different to 185 in a 1300kg car.

If I had a garage, I would take a mint one, and have a play at retrimming a spare interior (door cards, seats everything), with all the proper tools. Maybe even have a go at fitting a Golf mk4 5 door leather interior in, as they are about the same size. Give the proper leather/ali/carbon totally custom texture and tuck'n'roll and door builds with electric windows and central locking.

Megasquirt the engine should be good for 110bhp on standard internals, because lightened balanced and big valved, you can get 140 out of it on twin carbs.

If I could sort that out, I would be willing to keep the Celica for a while until it was ready. The 130/135/136 rapids, and 130 Estelles already had 4 pot front brakes as it was. And the 135 and 136 engines can run unleaded.

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Sleeker GT Phwoar

-snip cool skoda stuff-

Do that, I love the Rapids. And you could be called SkodaPilot again like the old days.

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but looks like it needs a bit of work.....

Ian

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Ian Riches

Well, something about a Black/Aubergine/Scarabe green 9000 with black leather seems to have a grip on me ATM. Even picked out NeedforSwede2 ready. Of course, picked up a nice LPT like

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But that one is only a 2.0 turbo not a 2.3, and doesn't look as cool as the other one you showed us! But then, it does appear to be a bit of a minter...

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DanTXD

Well, something about a Black/Aubergine/Scarabe green 9000 with black=20 leather seems to have a grip on me ATM. Even picked out NeedforSwede2=20 ready. Of course, picked up a nice LPT like

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but I reckon it would cost the same as the LPT and have done more than=20 twice the mileage and the LPT owner will put 12 months MOT on for the=20 right price (if it doesn't reach reserve, I might offer him =A31800 (plus= =20 MOT feee if needed) and see if he will MOT it.

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--=20 Carl Robson Car PC Build starts again.

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Sleeker GT Phwoar

So are those ones RWD as well?

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DanTXD

Old 911's are so DAMN cool :) In fact, all 911's are pretty damn cool...

I want one of those old Turbo ones :-D The one's that had the rep, and the front bumpers filled with lead as some kind of counterbalance to try and cure the issues of rear engined, rear drive and 60's engineering.

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DanTXD

Yep, and a =A3600 ECU/filter/exhaust plugin takes 150BHP to 229BHP and=20 takes the torque from 215nm to 354Nm. Something that can be done after=20 I've had it for a while.

That is a BSR/Speedparts update addon. or there is the Hirsch upgradethat costs about the same is slightly more=20 conservative

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Sleeker GT Phwoar

Looks OK, but I would need a garage first. Somewhere away from the missus, so all "essential parts" I bought wouldn't need to come to the house first, befire I fitted them in the back yard.

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Sleeker GT Phwoar

Yep, and a £600 ECU/filter/exhaust plugin takes 150BHP to 229BHP and takes the torque from 215nm to 354Nm. Something that can be done after I've had it for a while.

That is a BSR/Speedparts update addon. or there is the Hirsch upgradethat costs about the same is slightly more conservative

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is fully Saab approved, and you get to put black and silverHirsch/Saab crests on instead of the standard blue/red/yellow ones.or totally unnofficial, but what Hirsch can do for you.http://www.maptun.com/webshop/products.php?rubrik=130&kategori=315 Check out stage 6 and the price and the graphs of what it does to the car. Nearly 3 times the BHP and double the Torque for under 8k euro+ labour.

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Do it :D

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DanTXD

RWD, with an engine hanging out backwith a gearbox that will hold 150BHP easily, but comes with 65 as standard. The "Coupe" version of the old estelle I had.

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Sleeker GT Phwoar

Oh why do I have to look. Oh why do they do it to me. They now offer a "Stage 7" for the standard 225bhp Aero and Anniversary

2.3 Full power models.
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Sleeker GT Phwoar

Really ?

Holy shit !

I think I'm having a major thrombosis at that !

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Nom

But it is like, 13 grand...

And 500 horsies and FWD isn't gonna mix that well....

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DanTXD

I know someone with a stage 6 that does have a genuine 400+ horses. It seems to do OK. It's his daily driver. How about drive from Edingurgh to York in the early hours. Do a track day at York all day. Hang arround York all evening having fun with the local Saab guys. Drive back to Edinburgh in the Early hours again.

Ylee did it at the last trackday at Elvington I went to.

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Sleeker GT Phwoar

Of course the brakes are good, they are made in Italy.

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Steve Firth

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