whats the modern(ish) equivilant

Hi Rob,

I was fortunate enough to see a proper conversion at a car cruise in Chester some years ago. It was a corsa with a 2.5 V6 engine, but also uprated brakes and suspension. There were no silly bolt on/glue on bits so you would never know what was under the bonnet - but it didn't hang about. I would like to see cars fitted with V8 engines from sites such as

- they do loads of stuff for MGs and Range Rovers etc. How about a sierra with a V8 engine? It's beendone already in South Africa, but there are not many around.

I happen to like the triumph stag as sad as that might sound to some people !

Mi16s are a piece of piss to come across. I know a mate who's selling a

205Mi16 for a few hundred notes. However the 106 is desgined for TU lumps, but the Mi16 is a XU which would probably lead to problems (ie not quite as bolt in as it would be in a 205).

Could be interesting, but you've already got the 1.6GTi/VTS which'll be quicker, and there's also the TU/XU issue again. A chipped 2.0HDi lump would be far more interesting.

Didnt they already have 2.0l turbos and V6s though? Seems a little pointless.

Yawn

How about a V6 from an XM/Xantia/406 into a BX, ZX or 306? That would be fecking hilarious. The 306 V6 has definately been done before so it is acheivable.

I've heard on the grapevine that a Lexus Soarer V8 engine will fit into the MX5 engine bay and mate straight up to the drivetrain, possibly not cheap, but supposedly doable and would be a lot of fun.

That's about all my brain is capable of thinking of right now

That does sound drift-tastic. Nice lumpy crunty V8 spinning the back wheels in a car half the size it is supposed to.

I reckon it'd be a hoot. The 1.2 16v Punto sporting certainly is.

I'd love the PSA Xantia/406 petrol 2.0 Turbot in my BX.

Douglas

I thought the mi16 engine conversion was a bit of a costly affair, with lots of pre-fabricated specialised componants required? I have an mi16 engine and a 205.... what do I need to do it?

Take the 8v out, bolt the 16v in, well more a less. Not entirely sure what you'll need, but stuff like manifold and downpipe, and possibly a thinner rad so everything fits in snugly. Everything is available off the shelf as its so popular. Do some googling

They'd be waaaaaay too nose heavy...

The 1.7 Zetec-SE or 1.8 Zetec-E into the Ka or Fiesta.

Fait Panda 4x4 with 200bhp Uno turbo engine.

Plenty of VW/Audi 1.8T's going into Mk1, Mk2, Mk3, Rallye Golfs and Corrados.

Um, the modern equivalent is to just BUY the model with the right amount of power.

Clios and 206s come with 180bhp as standard these days. The Civic manages

200bhp. The Corsa will manage 180bhp when it arrives in VXR guise. The Astra's in the same situation as the Corsa, and will make 220bhp.

See ?

Engine-swaps are a waste of time with today's cars - they already come with the right engines fitted, so no swapping is required.

I don't agree, there were fairly powerful cars of that class around in the late 80's and early 90's but engine swaps still happened. I think there is simply too much technological mumbo jumbo incorporated into engines, making engine swaps too time consuming and expensive if carried out by yourself rather than an engineer.

The majority of engine swaps where done by people who couldn't afford a 200 bhp civic off the bat, so had to put a 160 bhp mi16 into a 205 for similar effect.

Theres plently of Mi16 engines about, try citroen and pug forums and e-bay, failing that theres always many allready done 205 Mi16's for sale at reasonable money.

Would still be a corsa B.

It is possible to get a Mi16 enginein a 106/saxo but it's costly. For the same money you could buy a VTS/GTi and fit throttle bodies or tue it to the level of thew Mi16 engine anyway. Plus old(ish) engine into new(ish) car is a bit daft.

Buy a VTS or GTi

Chevvy V8 or don't bother.

There's a few Cinquecento's around with punto turbo lumps in but a bit pointless IMO.

Any old ford + RS turbo lump marriage, cheap parts and engines everywhere and tunable.

E30 BM (presuming you like them) with an E36 or newer BM lump in.

Mason

Using throttle bodies, means very expensive management if you want to do it properly...

Why would you bother doing that when an E30 325i engine is a better, more cost effective option than any the e36 offerings? All the bmw engines are pretty useless for tuneing, even the m3's without extreme cost but they are amazing standard obviously.

JAMsport did my remap for £450 and it would have cost nothing more If I had TB's on the car.

I can only bring ONE example of a 106 Mi16 (it was at FCS last year) and the bill was around £22k for all the work needed. I'm guessing that Rob won't want to spend that much on a baby pug If he did he'd opt for simply supercharging a GTi lump.

Then surely that wouldn't be an "engine transplant" as he's just buy a 325 wouldn't he? The point of the thread was engine swaps.

All the bmw engines are

I wasn't suggesting tuning it. It's just something I'd like to do.

I realise most people (myself included) prefer E30 lumps, thats why my E30 still has an E30 lump in it :o) but again I amde the presumption he'd opt for a 328/330 enigne rather than one he could allready buy in an E30 BM.

Mason

How about a Renault 1.4/1.7 Turbo engine in a Volvo 340? Near enough bolt in! Or maybe the 1.8 16v if it's the same sort of engine. Along the same theme the old Volvo turbo engines (2.0 or 2.3 in the 700s) bolt straight into a Volvo 360 engine bay. You'll probably end up bending the rear axle with all the power, but it'll be a good laugh until then, and its probably doable for a grand.

The 1.7 turbo volvo lump (I forget out of which volvo it comes) bolts directly into renault 5 GTT's too. It was an option I considered when I had mine as they don't seem to be constructed out of chocolate like their french

1.4 pushrod counterparts.

Mason

I'm sure i've seen a 340 2.3T online somewhere... May have been a 360, but it was damn awesome :)

No, they used paper instead :) As standard they make less power than the

1.4 T don't they? And they tune to nothing before they die.

You cant use a shitty Superchip ecu or a standard model with a re-map, to run throttle bodies, you need MBE...etc. Of course there are exceptions, such as cars already running throttle bodies or heavily modified set ups takeing into consideration ecu flaws.

Well the guy needs to be shot to be fair....

Yeah and you just pointed out a pretty pointless engine swap?

All E30 engines are shit for performance bar the 325i, m3 and the 318iS, imo.