Jesus christ, Kate, what is up your ass? I've never said a thing to you, always respected your knowledge and suddenly you turn on me like rabid dog! If YOU represent what ramfm is (and it looks that way to me) then I'm going elsewhere.
Cindy
Then close your wrinkled lips and leave it alone.
Hey don't bother just for lil' ol' me.
Shit, I didn't think the southern mentality would rub off on you so soon.
Cindy
WTF? I wasn't talking to you, Kate!
Oh, really? Like what, for example?
Guess what? I don't give a rat's ass what you don't like. You're nothing but a gun-toting right-winger. I clearly understand why you turned tail and ran right the hell outta California. For all its faults, CA is a much better state without your sort of mentality.
Cindy
Obviously Kate has never be able to stomach my liberal nature or the fact that I don't blow holes in things.
Cindy
Hey! I'm the TRUE southener here (southern born, southern bred, and when I die, I'll be southern dead!), so don't be dissing southern folks! I may have moved to Colorado, but I still drink unGodly sweet iced tea, cook my own bar-b-que in my backyard, shop at Wal-Mart, drink Budweiser beer, eat bacon, eggs and grits in the mornings and have named my cats Harley and Bullitt. Can you get more southern than that? Yet, I am more open minded than most of the people on most of the NG's that I frequent.
Really, this little flamewar is getting out of hand. We don't want the group becoming what it was when Troy the Troll, Nathan and White Tornado were perusing it..
Ronald Reagan is dead. A lot of people liked him, a lot didn't - the same is true of all politicians, and I don't think that's reason enough for all of us to be going after each other. I like all of y'all, Wolfie, Kate and Cindy, so to quote a King:
'C'aint we just get along?'
Didn't mean anything deragatory against southern people, Ralph. My father and his entire family are from Meridian Mississippi! In fact, calling Kate a southerner was an insult to the southerners I know.
I was just trying to make a point, perhaps, unfairly, I might add, using a stereotype to make it. I used to like Kate. I just don't understand why she has to be so confrontational. It's not her place to play police woman. She's one of those people I have struggled to like. She'll say something really funny one day, then she'll turn into a bitch or say something so totally mean to somebody it's difficult to forget. Menopause? Sexual identity crisis? Who knows!
Nonetheless, I think I'll go the way of Bill S. and take a respite from ramfm. Being degraded by somebody I once thought was pretty cool is rather unpleasant. I've got enough shit to deal with I don't need a chick with a dick slapping me in the back of my head. And besides, I wouldn't want to make Kate jealous with my new toy, which will hopefully be in my driveway by sundown, this Sunday. ;-)
On a side note, Ronald Reagan's funeral was quite touching. I felt sympathy for Nancy. Although he was a fallible leader, he was also a forgiving man. It's too bad there aren't more people like him.
Cindy
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:49:36 -0700, "Cindy" wrote something wonderfully witty:
Maybe she is just a member of the he-man woman hater club like you accused me of? Although I have never seen her at any of the meetings. Perhaps she belongs to a different chapter.
On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 04:08:04 GMT, "Ralph Snart" wrote something wonderfully witty:
I think I have you beat there Ralph. I'm still here in good ole sweet Virginny, drink sweet tea, cook & eat bar-b-q, shop @ Wally World, and eat grits as well. My only fault is I don't drink Bud, matter of fact I really don't drink at all that much any more. While I don't have a cat named Harley, I do ride one. I also have a pickup with a rifle rack & dog box.
Without a doubt Mr. Reagan is deceased and without a doubt he had his detractors. However, at the time of a persons death it is usually common to reflect on their positive attributes & traits as opposed to their negative. I think it is what is called common courtesy.
I have no problem letting this drop.
On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:44:11 -0700, "Cindy" wrote something wonderfully witty:
To bad you didn't post this the first time around. While I'll now agree that what you said wasn't all that bad it was rather acerbic and more a matter of bad timing then anything else.
All leaders are fallible. I cannot think of a single one who hasn't had his faults, or made mistakes along the way. I can give you chapter & verse on plenty of the mans miss-steps. However, as you allude to Reagan was a class act. He really did try to do the right thing from his perspective. He was friendly & kind to the people around him and had a great self-deprecating style of humor. He wasn't overly impressed with himself either. The way he poked fun at government mumbo-jumbo double speak style of writing was quite amusing to me.
He was one President that I could actually understand what he was talking about and I felt like he was talking to me when he was giving a speech. Yes, I know that was because of his training as a radio announcer & actor, but I still liked it. Very clear & good timings as well. He also did several things that positively impacted my life, especially economically. Under Carter the Military had taken a rather big perception & economic hit. Reagan helped correct that. I know that the Gay community would have liked to see that money spent on them, but I think where it was spent affected a greater number of people and made us a stronger country.
Believe it or not Reagan started out as a Democratic. A great many people do early in their life. I think the switch-over comes as we experience life and age. Perhaps we just get cynical and/or jaded by life and the abuses of the system we see. Reagan's role model was FDR who was quite close to being a socialist. Unfortunately Reagan did not care for the way the party turned away from what he considered key moral values so he switched parties. The man was always true to his belief systems.
Let's see (we'll have a 'who's more southern' contest). Nope to the gunrack, but I still hunt - Elk instead of deer now, use an ancient Savage bolt action 30-.06 with 3X Tasco scope, listen to classic rock when I'm not listening to Rush or Michael Savage, have a mahagony framed large picture of the generals of the Confederacy in my bedroom, hate anything that has to do with 'Noo Yawk City'; I drive a Ford, only have the Subaru truck because of my wife's disabilty, use to ride Harleys (but when I got married, my wife took my bikes and 'nads away - they're now in a Crown Royal bag (the nads)- she lets me see them every once in a while). I use to go coon hunting, I've had ticks and redbugs. I've eaten what I shot, or caught while fishing. I think that 'Freebird' should be the National Anthem, and my grandmother was the spitting image of 'Granny' from the Beverly Hillbillies.
Top that, Yankee Boy!
Class act Woofie, Ronnie would be proud of ya!
Not to mention hot and sweaty.....
Well, Zombie, what would you have said about Clinton? Not being sarcastic here, just asking a question. I don't think Clinton's death would end in nothing but praise. I'd be willing to wager the wrath of insults would be far more inappropriate than what Steve or I said. That sort of thing is to be expected, and I wouldn't have jumped in yours or Kate's shit if it had occurred.
Yes, he was a very nice man, or seemed to be, I just made the comment based on his leadership, which I didn't happen to agree with Instead I focused on the awful nature of his illness. I don't really see how what I said was so disrespectful.
He really did try to do the right
You're certainly entitled to your opinion, and I'm not going to disrespect that. I must say that I wish I have got the feeling you speak of about Clinton. I do think Clinton did some good things, but I have never felt like any president "spoke" to me. ;-) Maybe it's just the times. I am not old enough really to remember the great leaders. I grew up during Ford, Carter, Reagan, and (yuck!) Bush Sr.
Perhaps I am not at that point yet, although my attitude toward liberal policy is changing year to year.
Reagan's role model was FDR
That is admirable.
Cindy
Those are your words. Have you ever heard of lashing out? My comments about you were more of a defensive action because I often times I feel like you are unjustly attacking every one of my posts you respond to. Oh, wait, isn't that the thing about us liberals you conservatives can't stand? ;-)
FWIW, Zombie, I do not think you are a member of the he-man woman hater's club. You are just opinionated and entitled to be. I just wish people didn't have to be so confrontational. That sort of thing really rubs me the wrong way. Now when it's warranted, sure, I'd climb in the face of the wrong-doer quicker than anybody else.
Although I have never seen her at any of the meetings.
No, Kate is a member of the he-bitch liberal hater's club.
Cindy
On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:52:30 -0700, "Cindy" wrote something wonderfully witty:
I am quite sure it will end with some rather crude jokes at his expense. I can thing of a couple of good ones right now. However, I do not think any one group of people will be throwing "Yippie he is Dead!" parties at the time of his passing.
I also don't think he will receive the same type of official morning period, nor that level of a State funeral. Even if his party is in power at the time. I personally do not think history is going to be very kind to Mr. Clinton. However, that is only my opinion.
As to what I will say when he passes, I rightly don't know. I have never been very good at predicting my future actions. Of course it would be very easy for me to say I would stay silent on the matter at that time, but all I can say is I honestly don't know. It would violate my overall beliefs on the subject of speaking ill of the recently dead if I did. There is plenty of time at a later date.
It just struck a nerve with a couple of people. To tell the truth I was still spun-up by the comments that they Gay community was making and the reports of parties to celebrate his passing.
Every one is entitled to their opinion, the entire key is to not be disrespectful about it. To me Clinton was all slick double speak taken to the Nth degree. When he said; "I've never broken the drug laws of the United States" I translated that as I smoked dope overseas. When he said; "I've never had sexual relations with that woman." even he admits that he only meant intercourse and not sexual activity of any kind. I really do think he was about trying to be all things to all people and simply pandered to what people wanted to hear. He made the Gay's lot in the Military worse with his "Don't ask don't tell policy" because he sent the message that Gays could serve secretly in the Military while still engaging in behavior that is against Military law which they can't
As does most people. Most people are more centric in their beliefs then either of the parties want to admit. That is why we end up with people jumping parties or calling themselves Conservative Democrats or Liberal Republicans.
And it is one of the reasons I admired the man. Sometimes all it takes is knowing the truth instead of the Urban Legends.
On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:09:01 -0700, "Cindy" wrote something wonderfully witty:
Actually you have pegged me inappropriately. Most conservatives would roll over in their graves if they know my views on Gun Control, Abortion, and MJ legalization as a start. People cannot be Pigeon-holed as easily as we would sometimes like to make them. They will always surprise us when they don't fit the mold we have developed for them.
I am often pegged as such because I cut women absolutely no slack simply because of their gender. I will talk to them and deal with them as directly as I would any man. This seems to upside many of them when I do not come off as sensitive to their gender. Personally I just really don't care. I do not think I am confrontational because it really takes two people for someone to be that way. I am more appropriately blunt. Perhaps to a fault, but hey that is me.
Rut-ro, a He-Bitch? Got to be careful of those. However, I doubt that Kate is. More then likely just opinionated like everyone else. Perhaps you struck a raw nerve with her as well. Hell perhaps it wasn't even her posting.
You wanna bite mine for a change of venue??? :-D
Ok, Now I take exception to that. WTF is that supposed to mean? I live in Louisiana and am I to assume I have some kind of irregular mentality that you and supposedly many other people disapprove of?
What is wrong with a gun toting right-winger? Neither of these make someone a bad person, it's the degenerate labeling and name calling of someone who is backed into a corner and does not have the mental prowess to get out of the situation they have gotten themselves into without using profanity and or derrogatory remarks. See, I do not even know what was or was not said, but I find your generalizations not only offensive, but generally inaccurate. I believe the whole point was you are entitled to hate someones politics all you want. If you are so narrow minded that you can not destinguish between a persons politic and their personality, then you are welcome to hate him or her as a person too, if you so desire. However, when someone is being ulagized it is highly inappropriate to stand up in the middle and blast your hate over the casket. Something Michael Moore would do. I do not have a problem with someone disagreeing with aome parts of Reagans political policies, but give him credit for what he did that was right and have some cooth. Moore is a big fat obnoxious loud mouthed bafoon and such behaviour does not belong at a funeral.
We do not care if you blow holes in things. Do NOT however; refer to me in derrogatory terms because I do.
You're behind in your dues you bum. Send me a check NOW!
"WTF is a grit??!" - Cousin Vinney
ROFL
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