Re: cobra vs z06

A the same price ?? I think not, where did you get that info from. That would mean the vette came down quite a bit or the Cobra price went sky-high....

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There isn't a price set in the side bar box describing efforts on the new SVT Cobra expected in the future. They are going to an independent rear suspension, so I'm doing some guessing here. No hard information.

The current SVT Cobra has IRS and is priced at about $35K. Ford claims the '05s will be priced very near the current crop of Mustangs.

AnthonyS

FYI-

The cobra has been delivered with IRS for a few years now. However, the GT has not...

If Ford can do the 2005 look, with an upscale SVT Cobra including IRS at $35,000 or so, and the horsepower/torque is anywhere near the C-6 Vette's

400 hp/400 torque, they should be able to sell every single model.

I'm a Vette fan and former owner and I'd strongly consider the Cobra instead with the new look, at those kind of prices. That will be almost $14,000 less than the Corvette if the rumors on the Vette pricing turn out to be correct.

We have the manual GT Convertible in a 2000 which IMHO was not as good a car as my 99 C-5 Vette, but which was also 1/2 the price. It will be very interesting to see how upscale the 2005 Cobra goes. I really like the semi-retro look in the pictures.

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ok, please specify that next time you make such a claim.

The cobra has had IRS since 99 and has cost about 15K less than a vette. Granted, the IRS was wedged in and could have been done better. The next cobra will very likely have a much better IRS system and it WILL challenge the Vette on handling, no doubt. Ford will most likely NOT up the price much compared to the current Cobra, and they WILL likely still be in the 400 hp range just as the current Cobra does. (which actually puts out 425 hp, Fords rating is conservative) The only 2 plusses the vette currently has over the Cobra are;

1.better handling. 2.less weight.

I seriously think the Cobra looks better than a vette. The new vette is too japanese looking. No real 'wow' efforts put in.

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Likewise.

Indeed. Even FoMoCo admits that their attempt at grafting an IRS onto the old (right? it's OOOOOOLLLLLLDDDDD) Fox chassis was something of a joke.

Since you've seen neither or driven neither, those claims remain to be seen. If we use past history to predict future performance differences, the Cobra will lose to the Vette. Again.

Wow. First wild speculation, then guessing, then a completely baseless claim that you can't back up. 425HP out of the current car? I think not. Show me the 4th gear dyno pulls.

And again, if we use historical trends to predict the future, these same "plusses" will stay in the Vette's favor.

And there's the crux of your argument, right there. You have nothing subjective to offer; your opinions are based on an objective "Hey, the new Mustang looks better than the Vette!" claim. Which is fine, but it doesn't mean the new Cobra will be faster.

jas

You guys all missed one very important point. For some reason, the Ford exhaust always seems to SOUND better :o)

2003 cobra has 390/390, how far off is that from 400/400?

That certainly is true of my wife's GT Mustang. Sounds just great!! But then, you can put Borlas on the Vette, and get great sounds also.

Along the line of near meaningless facts, Ford has dedicated so many pages to pushing the fact that the new mustang will have the options of many colors for the gauges? WTF does that add to the car? Sounds like a snake oil salesmanship to me!

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Well, all is needed is a google search but I'll give you that one. Here it is;

oh, oops, I was wrong, it is 429 HP !! STOCK vehicle. And look at that torque curve.

Here's another one;

oh, darn, wrong again, this one has a few more miles in it (broken in) and puts out 431 HP !!!!

Quite the speculation huh.... yup

historical trends the Cobra will spank the vette in the HP contest.

subjective ? see above.

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I know good sound is a matter of opinion but maybe if I tell you what I'm looking for I can get a good answer. I'm looking for a mean sound similar to what I hear on Mustangs. Right now I have no mufflers on my C5. Only what they call Monza Tips. Sounds great at high revs but sounds like a boat chuggin away at idle.

This is true, but the '03 Cobra is one of the best handling Mustangs ever built.

The Corvette and the Cobra are NOT direct competitors, never were. The new chasis was designed for IRS and will be a much better performer than the current version.

Cobras dyno between 360 and 380 right off the showroom floor, that's a fact and can be verified at any dyno location. Using the standard 15 - 18% drivetrain loss, that's anywhere from 415 - 435 horses. A cat-back and a CAI will easily add another 20 horses, also easily verified.

The Vette will always weigh less, it's only a 2 seater which is a negative in my book. If ford gets smart and uses the current Cobra block and the twin screw from the new GT in the '06 Cobra, it can easily put out close to 500 horses which will more than make up for the extra weight. Cobras are easily making 700 streetable horses using the KB blowers right now.

Looks are subjective, true, but the '03 Cobra 'is' faster than the '03 Corvette. Why then can't the next Cobra be faster than the new Corvette? Watch out, the next Cobra will handle better too, and any advantage the Corvette has can be more than be made up for with horsepower.

Like I said, the Cobra and Corvette are in two different classes. There will always be a faster/better handling car, how much do you want to spend?

I don't crosspost so this "jvp" person will most likely not see the truth and continue to live in his "Vettes are best" dream world...

Its no mystery... They hire engineers to make it sound that way. Ford pays alot of money to keep that signature sound in their Mustang line. Its one thing Ford has absolutely done right.

Thats a good question for vette groups...