Slow 1/4's for the 05's??

14.25-14.50??

Read this post from the camaro.firebird ng. NO, I'm not trolling, and this guy may be BS'ing, but have any of you seen or run your '05 at the track? If I'm going to get smoked by an LS-1, I have no interest in a new GT. I'll go get a 98-02 T/A.

Last Wednesday, Feb 2, was opening day for the 05 season at Sacramento > Raceway. Two '05 Mustang GT's showed up, and everyone was interested to see > what they could do. Both cars had 5-speeds. They both ran pretty consistent > between 14.25 and 14.50. The best time I saw all night for either car was > 14.24, and that was with almost no wheel-spin off the line. I would have > thought it would run about the same as an LT1 powered fourth gen. The > horsepower and weight are about the same. The whole crowd agreed they were > pretty disappointing.
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tony kujawa
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On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 08:35:56 -0500, "tony kujawa" wrote something wonderfully witty:

It may be a whole bunch of things. What if the guy's running them didn't know what the hell they were doing? What if it was their first time at the track? Even if they had experience making runs, more then likely this was the first time they have had these particular cars at the track.

I am not going to go look-up the raw hp numbers on the cars, but the Fourth Gen's (depending on the exact model) used de-tuned Corvette Engines (LS-1). Also just because you get a T/A you may not get the right T/A. If your looking for balls out, you'll want one with the WS6 package on it. Ask yourself this question as well. Do I want a

3-6 year old muscle car that someone else has been running at the track or beating the shit out of or do I want I new car that I can beat the shit out of first?
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ZombyWoof

I guess you have a point, but .60-.90sec. off what the mags are runnung is a huge difference.

A regular T/A and Z-28 put out 305, and the WS6 and SS put out 320. Not a huge difference, worth a tenth or maybe 2. These run from high to low 13's depending on driver and tranny. You are correct on these cars having the shit beat out of them, but I am looking for one with under 20K miles and under $20K. I really do like the new Mustang and have yet to test drive one, but I have driven the LS-1's. Well, there is 4" of F-ing snow on the ground here now, so a test drive is useless. Anyway, there are no shortages of them around me, the small hick town dealer has 6 or 7 of them sitting in their lot.

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tony kujawa

Oh no ! Its the 99 Cobra "where did my horsepower go" scenario. Of course in that case the mags complained about the slow 1/4.

Reply to
HerkyJerky

Well I don't know what they are doing on the 1/4 mile track but they are tearing up Daytona!

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With less than one day's experience behind the wheel of his new Ford Racing Mustang GT race car, car owner and driver Tom Nastasi, with co-driver Ian James, claimed victory in the opening race of the 2005 Grand-Am Cup season at Daytona International Speedway. The win marks the first race and first win for Ford Racing's Mustang GT race car built off the new 2005 Mustang GT that is currently available in Ford dealerships.

Reply to
351CJ

They weren't "de-tuned". They used the same motors. The dyno tests proved this years ago. I guess no chevy can have more power on paper than the Corvette. The '01's and 02's benefited from better clutches (from LS6 powered vettes) and slightly more power (better intakes)

Nahhh. As long as it's got the LS1 it's good to go. Firebird or T/A. I think the T/A's are heavier. More show, less go.

They all don't get ths shit beaten out of them. Nobody ever beat the shit out of my stang or camaro. Including me.

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Jimmy

In the last 6 months I've seen I think 4 unsold CamBirds. 3- 02' WS6 TransAm Yellow/black convertables and 1- 02 Z28/SS? red/silver. I looked at two of the T/As one of each transmission type. The sticker shock was too much for me though. I didn't even go inside to see what kind of deal they might have had. BTW the widow stickers MSRP was $40,000.

...Ron

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68' Camaro RS 88' Firebird Formula 00' Mustang GT Vert
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RSCamaro

I dynoed a brand new WS-6 and made 333 at the wheels and dynoed and brand new SS and got 331 at the wheels. You aren't far off, but I can't imagine there being a 11 to 13 horsepower difference between cars.

I have also seen good drivers get mid twelves out of the SS's and high 12's out of the WS-6's.

Don Manning

These run from high to low 13's

Reply to
2.3Sleeper

Tony, here's the story.

A pure *stock* 5-speed car in good air and low elevation should run high 13's at about 102-3, so a strong running LS1 twin will eat one up. That said, the new GT Mustangs have computers that are programmed "very soft." A custom chip REALLY wakes these cars up! Trap speeds can jump up 5-8 mph. So, here's what you do, buy a new GT, add a custom chip and give LS1 cars fits, all day long.

Patrick '93 Cobra

Reply to
NoOption5L

On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 10:49:57 -0500, "tony kujawa" wrote something wonderfully witty:

Don't believe everything you read and only half of what you see.

Reply to
ZombyWoof

On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 20:52:00 -0600, "2.3Sleeper" wrote something wonderfully witty:

And the Vette is/was 350. Regardless of what the other poster said, the LS-1's & LT-1's that were used in the F-bodies were detuned via intake & exhaust manifold changes.

Reply to
ZombyWoof

No the difference is between the non ram-air cars (Z-28 & T/A) and the ram-air cars (SS & T/A). Anyway, the LS-1 IS a killer engine regardless.

Reply to
tony kujawa

I can see that. Putting a set of SLP headers and exhuast on the car netted roughly 30 rwhp.

Don Manning

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2.3Sleeper

On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:08:50 -0600, "2.3Sleeper" wrote something wonderfully witty:

Which should have brought it right up to around the Vette's numbers.

GM isn't going to let any of their other vehicles exceed the HP numbers of their marque vehicle when coming out of the factory. However, as you found out it is a rather easy process to get the numbers the engine is capable of back with fairly minor changes.

Reply to
ZombyWoof

I don't know, guy. All the dyno pulls I've seen have the numbers of the F-bodies and Vette as being identical. The 'Vette's better weight distro and lighter weight are what keep it in front of the Cambirds.

Patrick '93 Cobra

Reply to
NoOption5L

Not to be a smartass, but 20,000 / .25 = potentially 80,000 1/4 mile runs! :)

Reply to
Cory Dunkle

I know :{

Reply to
tony kujawa

Is that number with or without wheel spin?

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351CJ

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