"SUDDEN ACCELERATION" 'aint going away........

My car experiences sudden acceleration quite often, usually when I'm lined up at a light where the road ahead merges from two lanes to one. But oftentimes the car will suddenly lurch forward when the road ahead becomes clear. It's really weird.

I was out for a romp through the countryside yesterday, and the car did a whole lot of lurching.

CFrog lurches, too, but because it's a convertible, its lurching isn't nearly as satisfying as TFrog's. It feels much heavier and slower in those lurches. It's not a very good lurcher.

dwight

Neither is forced busing but that doesn't make it right. An 88 Town car? Give me a break, that woman should be in prison. The only way a 140 HP 88 Town car could over come it's breaks is if it got rear ended by a loaded dump truck. It's interesting to note that I can't find anything about Audi's and unintended acceleration in Germany where you actually are forced to learn how to be a responsible driver before you are allowed to drive.

I am not saying unintended acceleration does not happen, I'm saying when it does, there is no excuse for it to not be controlled unless you are driving a 600+ HP Fox Mustang with a Lenco transmission and stock brakes.

Yeah, TOO often in fact. The stock tires on the Titan are almost ready to be replaced and I just did hit 10K miles.

On top of that... it doesn't have any new fangled control system either. It's cable connected to a butterfly valve.

I read these things and I think that people are simply way too ingorant of the technology they are using. Anyone who knows how a car works can deal with the failure we are being told occurs if it really did happen which is doubtful given the two-feet on the brake pedal story telling. Of course maybe these same people had no brak linings left on their pads. Failure to maintain the brakes is still their fault.

Thing about Germany is that manual transmissions are much more popular. The clutch remains a built in way to make sure the power doesn't reach the road. Sure the engine might grenade itself if it hits 9K rpm or something if doesn't have a reve limiter, but the car won't go crashing into things.

Pretty much. One needs a seriously modified car in an unbalanced way to have an unintended acceleration reach the problem levels indicated.

You really should quit while you are behind.

From your Cite:

In its 1989 report, NHTSA noted that drivers over 60 were as much as six times as likely as younger drivers to be involved in an unintended acceleration incident, suggesting that deteriorating reflexes are a contributing factor.

Audi was investigated for hundreds of complaints of unintended acceleration in its 5000 sedan. The resulting bad publicity caused Audi sales to drop 60% in three years, even though NHTSA never found a flaw in Audi's design and blamed driver error.

New data-recording devices, similar to the black boxes on airplanes, are increasingly showing up on vehicles. They will show computer codes that tell whether the throttle control system failed, the brakes were used and numerous other details about cars before a crash. That means the often-missing electronic footprints of what caused a crash finally will be available.

I've said this for years. If that 16 yo girl I saw weaving through traffic at 60MPH on a BUSY 4 lane road with a 40-45 MPH limit had the first clue about momentum and the weight of the car, she wouldn't be doing it.

Like the ones in the 06 Mustang. Hmmmm.....

The only way Sudden accleration can happen is driver error, end of story! My 86 ran away from me after I punched it but it ended up being the pedal got stuck under the floor mat. Instead of crashing I just turned the key back.

Until it happensd to you, you can't really express an opinion. When Ford gets around to a recall or a tsb, all you know-it-alls will be singing a different tune.

My 2006 Ford GT Mustang with A/T took off all by itself, full throttle, wide open. It all happened in about 8 seconds, the car travelled exactly

331 feet before it came to a stop (hit the garage.)

I know exactly where my feet were, on the brake (not on the gas, no carpet interference, no mats to get entangled). And I'm not a nitwit. I built and dragged in my teens, switched to road racing Jaguars in my late twenties. I have driven everything with wheels. From Sprites to a Euclid. I'm a professional driver, with a "Class A CDL"........

Search out "sudden acceleration" "unintended acceleration" "unanticipated acceleration" and start living in the real world.

R> The only way Sudden accleration can happen is driver error, end of

TSB or no TSB if you know how to operate a car it's a non-event.

Sorry, no. Not possible. Brakes cannot be overcome by the engine on a stock vehicle.

Yet you couldn't find the key.

In the real world, I've had a throttle stick. I turned off the key.

You miss the point. If your brakes failed and the throttle stuck wide open and the steering did not work ALL at the exact same time, it is still your responsibility to keep that vehicle under control by shifting to neutral and/or flipping the key off.

Oh yeah, I tried this with the Mighty Titan and although it definitely did NOT work, I have to report that there is an exception. As part of the traction control and EBD system (electronic brake distribution) on the Titans when you mash the throttle and the brake at the same time the computer looks at the situation and says "Oh no, we shall have none of that." And the engine bogs down. This is the same reason that on the Titan you can not do a power brake burn out like on the Ford or Dodge, the limited slip rear is actually an electronic traction control administered by the EBD. Enter MiseryTom. Tom being somewhat of an electrical guru has "invented" a number of vehicle mods, including the MTBM or Misery Tom Burnout Mod. (Available to be seen here:

) So to be totally fair about the situation I am going to solicit the help of someone who has said modification to flip their switch and then see if their 365 horse power Titan can over power the 12.6" four wheel disc brakes. I have my sincere doubts.

This is America.

dwight

Don't worry about it, If a 429CJ in a '71 Mustang cannot overcome the old brakes on that car, and it can't, his 300 HP 4.6 can't overcome it's modern

4 wheel disc brakes.

LMFAO

You posted to Usenet, everyone gets to express their opinion, and you can't really do anything about it...

Okay, lets see how this works:

Key ON - - - Key OFF - - - Power Steering ON NO Power Steering Power Brakes ON NO Power Brakes Engine ON NO Engine Power NO CONTROL STEERING WHEEL IS LOCKED

So, which was the right decisi> GatorMan wrote:

Wheel locked? No. Learn how the ignition works, you can turn it off without going to lock.

And I've driven a car with the power steering not working, wasn't that hard. Same with power brakes when I disconnected the booster to diagnosis something. Of course, I still know what it's like to drive a power nothing car as I still own one.

Now lets do that list again:

Key ON Key OFF Accelerating out of control. Somewhat more difficult to steer, but slowing to a stop fairly quickly.

Some how, you think Accelerating out of control is the better option.

Well you just proved how much of an idiot you are, turn the key back ONE notch.

With this single post, you have proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are an automotive imbecile.

If the key is on and you stop the engine with a kill switch, you will STILL disable the power brakes, and the power steering. You can NOT however turn the key far enough to lock the wheel while the car is in "D." Incidentally, when the engine shuts off, unless I am mistaken, under the condition of "no engine power" that pretty much should negate the NEED FOR BRAKING AND STEERING!!!

The correct decision was to TURN OFF THE KEY period. Then it would have been a non-incident. I tried to give you some benefit of the doubt, but apparently your are just a total boob and too dumb to realize it.