Torque vs. HP

Yes. Added traction is going to increase driveline stress. However, on a fairly stock 5.0 car you should be okay for quite a while. All depends on how often you drag race it and how hard your launches are. If it was mine, I'd look into getting some sub-frame connecters first to keep the body from twisting.

Patrick '93 Cobra '83 LTD

Thanks. Subs it is. :)

Brad S

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Mike: It's not about who knows more. WINZE is always saying I don't know what I'm talking about, regardless of what I post. All I want from him is to produce time slips to prove he has drag raced. I had to laugh when he called me a magazine & bench racer, when in fact he is the magazine racer. I use magazines to get specs and prices for parts I'm about to buy, and the program I use tells me ahead of time whether that part will help or hurt the present setup. I just got tired of WINZE's constant attempts at trying to make me look like I don't know what I'm talking about, only this time I produced facts to prove I was right, and anyone that downloaded the article knows that now. Hey, I could sit back and just laugh at people building their car up to improve their times at the drag strip, and headed in the wrong direction. But I would sooner pass on information that was given to me earlier in my life. If no one wants it, then I'll just sit back and watch people scratching their heads wondering why the mods they installed made their car go slower at the track.

Well. I'm outta here. Gonna go play with Shoutcast

Gary Drag Racers live by the code set down years ago: "If some is good, more is better, and too much is just right".

Heheh it's understandable... this is the only time I've seen you & winze post back & forth.. but I don't read every single post that comes here. If he's not willing to give ya any proof of drag racing.. it's a pretty good indicator that he in fact does not drag race (perhaps street race... but that's just dangerous & you don't even get your numbers!!). Anyway... take it easy =).

-Mike

ok, everybody if you read GEB's post and take his advice you'll end up with a over carbed, over cammed, under geared mustang( read dog) with no torque till 5000 rpm and no horsepower after 6000 rpm. His old school thinking is "classic bigger is better syndrome" and flat won't work for 99.9 percent of every street/strip 5.0 mustang. Take Buzz's practically factory engined 5.0 mustang that will run high 12's and compare to GEB's gutted out pinto with a big cam and carb that runs high 13's for example. oh yea you'll end up with a subscription to Hot Rod magazine also.

Yeah you just proved that you're a totally clueless dipshit. Thanks for the clarification.

-Mike

"winze" wrote in a message:

Go's to show that you don't read the whole post, just what you want to read. At the present time the Pinto has a bone stock 84 302 in it. If you remember, I am working on the chassis to get it to hook up before I drop the new motor in it. You only prove that your an idiot and a wanna be know it all.

Gary Drag Racers live by the code set down years ago: "If some is good, more is better, and too much is just right".

"bone stock" except for the cam,intake, carb, headers and probably more! and you claim that you're running factory 84 engine up to 6500 rpm! ok I'm a believer, NOT!! Isn't bone stock what soup is made out of? that's what you'll be, SOUP! against a decent running 5.0 torque motor!

Smart drag racers know this "too much will just slow you down"

Seems strange that you never hear anyone discuss a logical way to build an engine. It's always "throw this in with that and add this cam and piston, etc etc. Then take it to a track and see how it runs". This is an AFU way of doing it.

LOGICAL WAY:

1. What is the time slip goal?
2. What is the weight of the car?
3. How much HP will it take to make this weight go this timeslip?
4. What is the CID limit. This can be based on class rules or wallet size.
5. What is the best way to get this HP from this CID?
6. HP=(torque x rpm)/5252 Hmmmm..more torque=more HP
7. Therefore, build torque and let HP fall where it may.
8. Torque peak is wherever engine is most efficient.
9. Build the engine to be most efficient where budget and durability requirements allow.
10. To each, thier own. Some like high rpm screamers, some like low rpm grunt engines. I've seen plenty of 5000rpm bigblocks stomp the guts out of 7000 rpm small blocks. I've also seen it the other way around. And then there's the thrill of 7000+ rpm bigblocks......sends a shiver down my spine..........

"Jimz466" wrote in a message:

You make some good points. but there is something you forget. Look at any Dyno sheet, and you will see that after peak torque the HP will continue to climb, whole torque starts dropping off. You want to take the peak HP and make your shift point somewhere around there so that when you are in the next gear it drops you into the area around the peak torque. So if you want to go faster, build for more HP and the torque will follow. As for building an engine for durability, that's where the money spent on machine work and parts come in. If you read the article I made available from the Jan. Hot Rod magazine, you would have read that Torque is what gets the car moving, and basically HP keeps it moving. They also said that if you want to get down the track faster, to build for more HP. This is not my theory. The information in that article came from long time engine builders. HTH

Gary Drag Racers live by the code set down years ago: "If some is good, more is better, and too much is just right".

"winze" wrote in a message:

I guess you aren't as smart as you think. If you think more HP is going to slow you down, then I want to rum you every round at the drag strip! That will guarantee a win every time! Not for just me, but everyone you would run!

My motor is stock. Stock bottom end, & heads. Sure I may have an slightly larger cam than stock, (but it's not that much bigger) Edlebrock Torker II intake, and Holley 4 barrel (which is jetted back for the motor).

So you don't think I can run my motor up to 6500 rpms? How much do you want to put on that bet? I'll gladly take your money any day, just to shut you up! So when you think you have the balls to show up at the track, just let me know, and I'll prove what I know and what you don't. Until then, just SHUT UP!!! Your just showing your ignorance!

Gary Drag Racers live by the code set down years ago: "If some is good, more is better, and too much is just right".

What is "HTH"?

-Mike

spine..........

Hope This Helps

Of course!! HP= (Torque x RPM) / 5252 . Dyno graphs are a graphical representation of a mathmatical formula!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!>if you want

AARRGGHHHH!!! HP follows torque, not the other way around. Dynos do not measure HP, they measure torque and then calculate HP. Build torque in the RPM range you desire to run, and HP will fall wherever the formula says it will fall.

I knew you where I liar and you just proved it, not exactly "bone stock" now is it? and you forgot to mention it has been gone through by the previous owner, who basically bluprinted the bootom end,etc. I didn't say too much horsepower would slow you down,but too much cam, carb, and intake will everytime. Sure you can take a 302 with factory crank and rods up to 6500 + rpms but why would you want to? I've seen several 5.0's(including mine) beat your et's by 1 second + and never touch the factory 6200 rpm limit! I'll say it again, you have the classic old school "bigger is better" way of thinking! step up to the present, or at least the 80's!

"Jimz466" wrote in a message:

In drag racing torque is not as important as HP and RPMs. For the street only, it is. If you go to any cam manufacturer's website, they list the RPM range for each cam, not the torque range. Remember, the gears in the rear end multiplies torque. So if you need more torque at the wheels, down lower in the RPM range, put a lower gear ratio in the rear end.

Gary Drag Racers live by the code set down years ago: "If some is good, more is better, and too much is just right".

"winze" wrote in a message:..

For the last time, put up or shut up! Post a link to those time slips of yours saying you ran 12.20's or better. I got to see this! I doubt very seriously that your car has ever seen the track, let alone run in the 12's. Hell, Buzz's motor is bone stock, and only thing done to it is suspension and lightened up, and it just barely made it into the 12's. Next year if his plans go through, his won't be exactly stock any more. But that' besides the point. I'm still working on the suspension, but then you wouldn't understand what is involved in setting up a car for drag racing. As for your statement that you didn't say More HP would slow you down, read what you wrote in an earlier reply. I left it in there so you can maybe try and remember what you wrote. You said More will slow you down. You didn't say more of what, so that means everything, and that includes HP, Torque, RPMs and what ever else you want to throw in there.

Who said the bottom end was blue printed? You? I never stated the bottom end was blueprinted. I said that care was taken to make sure everything was done right. That's not blueprinting a motor.

I'm done with your bullshit. I'll check back to see if you post a link to your time slips, but don't look for any more replies from me. I'll give you two days, that ought to give you enough time to go borrow someone else's times slips and scan them and put them on a web site. Because that's what your gonna have to do, since you don't have any, or you would have posted a link to them a long time ago. If you don't post a link in that amount of time, then we all know your just a wanna be mechanic, drag racer, or for that matter, anything having to do with cars. For the last time, put up or shut up. This is the last time I'll be asking you to do this. If I and others don't see a link in 2 days, then we will all know exactly what you know. Absolutely nothing, like I thought from the beginning.

Gary Drag Racers live by the code set down years ago: "If some is good, more is better, and too much is just right".

A lot of us (myself included) don't CARE if he knows anything or not... and frankly I couldn't give a rat's ass whether he can provide time slips or not.

-Mike