Yeah, yeah, I'm the Mustang guy... but elitist, too?

as they say here in the UK left is right eight is great........but we can't afford the petrol....that is why I have a '92 convertible cyl .......

The RX8, NOT one of my favorites. Awkward styling (I'm being nice) torque-less and thirsty motor, something, IMO, things that can't be made up with impressive handling and dynamics.

Cars (and for me boxing)... are things I'd even be happy to discuss with my dog. ;-)

I agree. The Camaro is a nice car -- I love the looks and performance. I just can't stand the view from the front seat.

Okay, take a good look at a Camry, Accord, Kia or Hyundai, then look at a new Camaro. Which would you rather see displayed more in our automotive landscape?

A couple years ago I would have wholeheartedly agreed, but not since the little 6s started sporting more than 300HP and able to bang out 13- second time slips at over 100 mph -- hell, numbers our beloved 5- liters and most all the heavy hitters from the 1960's couldn't muster.

No, I just think you hooked on the primal, guttural sounds a V8 makes... nothing wrong with that.

Patrick

Naw. Yer just a spinal compression junkie. You know. That great feeling you get when you hit the gas and get squished back in your seat like an astronaut.....

It's a V6 though. V6's just aren't natural. It's a forced arrangment for packaging, it's not a naturally balanced or well working configuration. It has to be made so. It's a compromise by its very nature.

If ford had a 300hp I6 mustang with all the chasis goodies and brakes of a well optioned V8 then I think it would sound and feel right. In the US I6's were choked off and disregarded but in other parts of the world they were allowed to sing.

See the "Mayhem" package.

I think the Nissan GTR's 530HP V6 would disagree.

Patrick

It's still a V6.

A V6 is still not a natural arrangement for a four stroke engine.

"Due to the odd number of cylinders in each bank, V6 designs are inherently unbalanced, regardless of their V-angle."

I understand the V and I balance thing. But my point is this: if you own a new V6 Mustang you no longer have to hang your head when talking with V8 Mustang owners because everyone realizes the new V6 Mustang performs. Much the same way new Mustang GT owners no longer have to hang their head when talking with owners of IRS-equipped sports/sporty cars [because everyone knows the Mustang's solid axle performs].

Patrick

I wasn't arguing that. It's an argument of feel/sound/etc, not hp or performance numbers.

Yeah, I did some searching for some new sound clips and although the numbers are impressive, there's still an annoying sound coming from the

11/12 v6. You just don't get it from the old I6's. They're just too long though.

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I like "Recent forced induction V6 engines have delivered horsepower and torque output comparable to contemporary larger displacement, naturally aspirated V8 engines"

Recent? Does "recent" include the 87 Buick?

Though I could argue with IRS vs solid axle there is some "feel" involved, I get what you're saying. But I think what Dwight was getting at was just the mention of a standard V6 as not being interesting. I think that attitude expired in 2011. Prior to that model year I too had a sense of disappointment when someone would tell me they got a new Mustang, and then went on to say it was a V6. While I admired their desire to drive something cool or share in the heritage, the thought of a crude, truck-ish, motor under the hood made me think, like Dwight, 'why bother'. But, for me, a 300+ horsepower delivered by a free-revving motor changes that attitude, especially when the package delivers 13 second time slips at over 100 mph -- numbers that embarrass the now-revered 1980's Buick V6 GNs/T-Types.

So Dwight hasn't warmed up to the idea of just getting a base Mustang. You want Ford to go further by offering a balanced I6. And I'm in between with being happy the base V6 motor performs astonishingly well.

Patrick

SNIP

Yet they are gaining in popularity at drag races.

But, it's just so... so.... so.... un-American. LOL

V-6s are great in a modern model, but, it would be just so out of place in my '65. I haven't looked at the numbers, but what is the hp per pound between the V6 and V8s? And, while the gearing goes a long way, which engine has to work harder to propel a Mustang down the road? How much difference is there in response. With my V8, I hit the gas and the car rockets ahead. Never a problem merging with traffic or getting out of someone's way. Needless to say, I have never owned a V6 or a straight 6. I did have a 4 banger MG Midget once which was fun to drive on the coast highway in Okinawa....

They already do, just not in the USA.