307 - any bad reports?

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You will probably get people saying that they are great but it seems to be one of the worst cars that Peugeot have ever produced, judging by all of the reported problems with this model and it came in at 141 out of 142 cars surveyed in the BBC Top Gear annual survey.

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The results of the Top Gear Survey 2004's survey was even bigger than

2003, with 52,630 responses. Cars were rated for reliability, driving enjoyment and dealer service. 2004 Top Gear Survey - the Top 10

(Ranking: Model - Score out of 100)

1: Honda S2000 - 94.0 2: Jaguar XJ series - 93.6 3: Lexus IS 200 - 93.1 4: Honda Jazz - 92.2 5: Skoda Octavia - 91.7 6: Toyota Yaris - 90.6 7: Toyota RAV4 (New) - 90.4 8: Mazda 6 - 90.2 9: Skoda Fabia - 90.1 10: Honda CR-V - 88.9

2004 Top Gear Survey - the Last 10

(Ranking: Model - Score out of 100)

133: Fiat Stilo - 73.7 134: Renault Megane - 73.6 135: Citroen Xsara - 73.5 136: Peugeot 206 - 73.5 137: Citroen Saxo - 73.4 138: Fiat Bravo - 70.7 139: Renault Espace - 70.6 140: Renault Laguna - 70.3 141: Peugeot 307 - 69.8 142: Mercedes M-Class - 69.8

The 10 most unreliable cars

There were 142 cars listed in the final survey, of which the following

10 were ranked as the most unreliable.

Citroen C3 (133rd) VW Polo (New) (134th) Citroen Xsara (135th) Citroen C5 (136th) Fiat Stilo (137th) Renault Megane (New) (138th) Mercedes M-Class (139th) Peugeot 307 (140th) Renault Laguna (141st) Renault Espace (142nd)

Please note that I am not anti Peugeot and drive a 106 XR but I would look elsewhere! I can't comment on running a diesel in Australia.

Bob

There were problems with the 307 to begin with here (UK) and in some cases lack of the right bits to fix it was one of them. Speaking as a Peugeot enthusiast of 44 years standing, IMHO someone on the other side of the world from the factory might be well advised to give it a bit more time. But, hey, you've got a Range Rover. . . ;-)

Ron Robinson

Sorry, forgot about the the diesel bit. If you are not covering miles like there's no tomorrow, be guided by secondhand prices. If you can't get the extra cost of the diesel back - and more - when you sell it, IMHO it's probably not worth bothering.

Ron Robinson

"The Becketts" wrote in news:41a17709$1$25116$ snipped-for-privacy@news.optusnet.com.au:

307 = lots of early bad reports unfortunately. No worthy successor to the 306.

Take a 307 for a test-drive: it's like driving a van! Entertaining enough though, and you get bells and whistles.

If diesel oil's difficult to source where you are, you could convert a derv to use vegetable oil instead: the way Diesel intended his engine to run on.

If I lived in Australia, with the much cheaper fuel prices I would most definitely get a Holden HSV......

Andy

Are there any GOOD reports! Not many. It almost always come bottom in comparison tests with its peers, though most owners would probably be happy enough with the way it drives, if not the way it rides. Safety is excellent, and it's well equipped and good looking. Cheap too, if you get a discount, which is easy.

Unfortunately, all the customer satisfaction surveys report the same things: it's not built very well, and Peugeot's dealers are just about the worst there are.

It's a shame, in many ways it's a nice car, but anybody looking rationally into buying a car in this sector should probably not buy a 307. The competition is very strong: new Focus, new Astra, new Golf, new Octavia. The poor old 307 has been overtaken.

Androo

I disagree on the Ford Focus. My 307SW is in the bodyshop (I dented it) right now.

I have a Focus as a courtesy car - it`s an estate.

The sterol is brilliant - but the rest of the car is definitely not on a par with the 307.

It`s tinny, plasticy, under-powered and ugly.

Never driven any of the other cars you mentioned, so can`t comment.

I had a Peugeot 406 2.0i as a courtesy car once, and I thought it was very underpowered.... When I took a look under the bonnet, somebody had fixed the throttle cable so it had limited travel and fiddled with some other throttle bits to limit power output. I would have a look if I where you, cos all of the focus' I have driven have been nippy, even the 1.4

Andy

Well my wife drives 307Hdi it was the first 307 our local dealer sold. Why

307 Hdi it was the only diesel car on Australia market at affordable price plus we live in the Centeral Victoria this means a lot of driving. After reading some reading some of the posting about the 307, it is no different to other makes they have their fair share of problems, we must have been lucky. Citiron(Peugeot) C5 is available with automatic and diesel. Diesel cars rare in Australia not anymore Audi, VW, BMW, Volvo all have realease diesel motor cars in Australia. Put good old Google to work and check out what is available in Australia.

Keith

OK, affordable diesels are rare in Oz (you forgot Mercedes)- all the above brands are out of my reach. In comparison with the number of brands sold, I still say diesels are uncommon in cars in Oz.

Don't forget the car has to appeal to my wife - it's her car.

The biggest sellers, Ford, Holden, Toymotor don't have any diesels in their range - not that any of their cars apeal to her.

Ron Beckett Emu Plains, Australia

You must have had the previous model Focus. The new one may not appeal to your eye, but I doubt you would find it 'tinny', and it does have the kudos of a five-star crash test result. In any case, the Ford is likely to be more reliable, and cheaper to fix than the 307. Can't comment on the sterol...

Androo

Nope. It`s brand new. 4000 on the clock. And it`s a hire car, so cant be that old at 4000 can it ?

I`ve owned a Granada, Fiesta and Mondeo in the past and did used to love fords until I got an audi.

Then finally, the 307Sw

sterol ... LOL

Well for a start VW have just release the Golf with a 1.9 or 2 litre turdo diesel under $35,000 so Peugeot and VW both have diesel cars under $35,000

May be off the topic earlier in the year there was report of Holden looking at dropping Volvo diesel engine in the Commodore.