$65,000 A Year? Bye, U.S. Auto Workers!

The mammoth troubles facing GM, Ford and their auto parts makers are merely a symptom of the global leveling of manufacturing that has been underway for some years.

Stop and think. We're told this week that the average annual wage for a Ford family production line worker is an astounding $65,000! Where else in the world can an uneducated, ignorant, untalented, unskilled slob who tightens bolts make anything approaching that figure? Especially when working for a company that can't move its inventory of unwanted products!

At least in Germany, where auto workers' pay is nearly comparable to their U.S. counterparts, those employees possess technical skills plus a minimum high-school education.

Of course, in South Korea, such workers make about 20 percent of the $65, 000 the American schlubs '"earn." But the Koreans at least possess real skills and a real education. And in China, $650 a year is real good.

So get used to less, beer-bellied Amer'cun slobs! The good old days are never coming again - except for those with education and genuine

21st century skills! Globalism is eatin' your lunch!

Really no surprise.

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jismquiff
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Those are some unbelievably low numbers. One problem is the person making 15 k in NYC equates to a guy making 11 k in Sioux City, IA. The government can't realistically think one set of numbers can apply to 48 States.

Lee

2000 SSEi
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Lee C. Carpenter

The auto industry didn't have this problem until Chimps buddies at Exxon got the price of oil so high that nobody could afford to drive SUVs or big pickups anymore. Granted, there are a lot of ignorant, knuckle dragging morons on Ford and GM assembly lines making $25.00 an hour doing jobs the 16 year old counter girl at Dunkin Donuts could easily do, but until gas got so high, they seemed able to handle their high wages.

Something is beginning to break down in America that has not broken down since the early 1930s.

Reply to
Christopher Helms
65,000 a year should be minimum wage in the usa. That would be $32.50 an hour.

taken a look at your electric bill lately?

Reply to
Learning Richard

Actually Ford was profitable in Europe and Asia - it lost money in the US. So it exports and makes money there. Just not here.

Reply to
Dan J.S.

If minimum wage = $32.50 Then loaf of bread = $16.75

Reply to
badgolferman

Oh man... this is great! Blaming people in a free country for NOT buying lower quality built cars. WHY would I want to buy a car that has lower enforced quality control standards that cost the same as a foreign car, which has higher standards and better overall resale value (just to name a few)? Just b/c it's "American" built? Ha, that tired rhetoric has LONG been sold out. Unfortunately, again these monolithic giants are STILL trying to use the same old 1950's model of "Made in the USA" standards and patriotism that NO longer apply. The model is out dated and frankly ignorant in these times. Again, blaming the blue collar and lesser workers is ridiculous. And as usual, I don't here anyone complaining about the well overpaid management/execs that get to jump ship and float off on silver/golden parachutes. BLAME the ape workers! Speaking of quality control... GM, Ford and the like COULD and can build much higher quality produced vehicles, if they so choose. But being that they are giants that wield a big club, their model is based on profit from mass production, not tight quality control standards. I know, I've SEEN how the cars are built... Hell I have help build them, but when you're NOT the quality control agent/manager, you have no say in what is glued Vs riveted Vs seem welded instead. Take ford for example; many of the EUROPEAN fords are VERY well made and last decades longer than their American built counter parts. The Merkur was built to compete with BMW and Audi in the USA, but they had did not have the proper show room model to display the much high improved standards, and dumped them off to Lincoln dealers, who had little clue as to what they were selling, other than some "Euro-Ford." I happen to own a Merkur and they are very solid cars. Much more so than what is even being produced today by Ford. A shame, but again it's NOT the worker's fault- it is a MANAGEMENT mistake. But seeing as people in this country have been inbred into believing that only the supposed "ignorant worker," is to blame, I can see why management/execs and the like are invisible to proper criticism. And as someone also pointed out, EVERYONE that works for GM HAS to be referred & given a DNA based drug screen. You will NOT be hired w/o being referred 1st. So the misconception of junkies and ogres working the line and doing jobs a 16yr old girl could do are hardly applicable. And furthermore, many of these jobs are in a very hostile and dangerous environment where the typical said "idiot" would get him/herself KILLED and or severely injured. Make no mistake, not everyone that works for GM and the like are rocket-scientists, but they are far from what most would depict as said " ignorant factor worker." With that said...I hate to inform some of you, but many of those workers, say the ones that have been working there for at least

15years: STARTED working there with little skill, and b/c GM could afford to pay so well, many of them earned degrees and other kinds of skilled certifications outside of work; but none of these jobs could match the pay and benefits package of GM at that time. Again these people had/have families to feed and quitting their SECURE and high paying GM job with an uber health benefits package was NOT and for some, still is not an option. My father happens to work for GM and has 2 degrees and a Masters, I have 2 degrees and numerous computer certs. We are hardly "ignorant." The persons that like to blindly assume and point out said ignorance, more than show their own in doing so. Unfortunately the mounting classism in this country is appalling. Even people in the same "class" or income bracket (since income doesn't always indicate an individual's amount of "class") are stupid enough to be turned against their follow man/woman in a condescending attempt to distance themselves, as IF you are any better than said worker. Ha, think LOGICALLY about what you are attempting to allude, by pointing the finger and turning a blind eye to people that have sustained many of the small towns and cities in this formerly "free country." I say formerly b/c about 20-30% of it is now owned by debtor-default to China, Japan and some other Euro/Asian countries. Just WHO are you people to point fingers at anyone? Persons with REAL class/tact are actually informed BEFORE they post and wouldn't attempt to look down on another for purposes of belittlement and pure malice. It's unfortunate that so many people these days, waste valuable time trying to falsely separate themselves from others, as if doing so makes you any better? Get real! I've wasted plenty of time even obliging these Socratic taunts... I doubt that any of this will change anyone's point of view, but again let it be said that blaming HARD working men and women, for the past and present mismanagement (again there's that word - management!) of a former auto-industry leaders seeming demise, is hardly informed nor worthy of attention at all. Good day.
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Unreal but true.

...Ron

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Reply to
RSCamaro

Are you conserving? You should be, your far left wing comrades demand it.

Reply to
The beneVolent dbu

Richard once again demonstrates his deep knowledge of basic economics.

Reply to
Mark

You know Richard, there are times when I read some of your posts and almost see a glimmer of rationality in them----> then you go and reset yourself to zero by posting something as complete insane as this.

Do you understand nothing of basic economics?

Reply to
Sean Elkins

No surprise that a top poster would say something as stupid as that. The average wage is close to $40k.

Wrong again.

Reply to
dizzy

true.

not true. Try raising even one kid on 50k. Almost impossible without those dreaded entitlement programs.

Reply to
Learning Richard

Think outside of the box and soundbyte-based-groupthink Republicans are famous for. Use your noggin.

I never said it was reasonable in practice, I used 'should'. In order for that to work we'd have to stop relying on middle eastern oil and asian slave labor. But free-trade-pact happy, greedy, fat, crooked Republicans will have none of that.

I understand basic fascism as well.

Reply to
Learning Richard

That depends where you live. I support a wife and two kids, albeit we sacrifice many things, and I am below your threshold.

Reply to
badgolferman

We have just been subjected to back-pedaling and changing the subject. Two of Learning Richard's stronger characteristics.

Reply to
badgolferman

Yes but they export nowhere near what the japanese export because of tariffs. Its really an uneven playing field.

Reply to
Franky Furter

That came to be because workers were being abused by the wealthy elite...

It's one of the factors, no doubt. The unions served their purpose at one time, but they've become somewhat obsolete and self-destructive.

Reply to
dizzy

yep. Dan, ever heard of the SEIU?

probably not. Why would you have?

Ahh tasty pablum. Unions have not become obsolete even though Republicans have tried to cast them into obsolescence.

Republicans made promises around the time I was born to the Unions, and now they refuse to take a pay cut (8, 9 and 10 digit yearly salaries, all told) to cover those promises.

I'm quite sure that baby Ford, the charlatain at the helm of FoMoCo, hasn't sacrificed one fish egg.

So, they pass the costs onto you, the consumer, and attempt to pad in $3000 extra cost (over and above the cost of Japanese cars) into their dumpy, cheap cars before one shard of metal even hits the front of the assembly line. When consumers don't want their shoddy crap, they just start firing, from the bottom up.

Personally, I think the Ford "Five Hundred" looks like a hulking piece of shit. You won't catch me even test-driving one.

Its just plain bullshit that American citizens are going to foot the bill for Republican greed and excess.

Reply to
Learning Richard

Wow, you managed to incorporate name calling, unwarranted labeling, stereotyping and hate-filled pre-programmed partisan mudslinging all into a single response.

When someone swings as far to the extreme as this response it dilutes the reasonable things they otherwise say.

It would appear that you're just the opposite but equal side of the right-wing extremists you so often deride in this forum.

Oh, and if you can't raise a kid on $50K you might consider a visit to Appalachia to see how it's done for 1/3 of that amount.

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Sean Elkins

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