That doesn't mean that they will go bad before the internal combustion engine goes bad. That doesn't mean they will go bad before the body rusts out. They have fewer moving parts than the ICE, so I'd expect the ICE to go bad before either of them do.
And that's a reason not to buy a Prius today?
That was the voters getting fed up with the GOP, which Bush was the head of. It was the voters getting fed up with GOP congresscritters which never gave Bush a bill he didn't like. Well, once; a stem-cell research bill.
Considering that what the GOP controlled congress got done was harmful to the country, that's an improvement.
Got any citations for that?
Got any citations for that?
The democrats have less than a 15% approval rating? Got any citations for that?
You have a reading comprehension problem.
About the same as a 30-year-old VW Rabbit diesel. Very impressive.
BATTERIES?!? If that engine is anything like most modern engines it should be good for 10 years and 150,000 miles or so, are the batteries going to last that long? And those motor/generators, does anyone really know how long they are going to last? I've heard they had real problems with them in first generation Prius's.
Well yes. Oddball technology is harder to get fixed when it starts aging. It may be (will probably be) that hardly anyone except the dealer will be able to work on the things, and when it gets to be 10 to
20 years old the dealer may not be able (or willing) to either.Jeff DeWitt
Considering that the batteries are warranted for 10 years and 150,000 miles in California and other states that have implemented California's emissions-control legislation, I'd say that the batteries will last at least that long.
Well, no. The reason to buy a Prius today is to help reduce pollution today and to help reduce petroleum consumption today.
Oh, oh; I guess the people who bought the first Priuses ten years ago better start worrying. NOT!
Funny, but what a tragic result. As Mencken once said: "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American people". Hopefully (but I doubt it), the American people have learned their lesson - never elect a president who doesn't read books.
In Nazi Germany, there was an expression: "If only the Fuhrer knew what was happening..." The implication was that Hitler was totally unaware of the abuse and he was such a fair sweetie, if only he knew, he would stop it. For RIPigs, ignorance IS their religion.
Poll: Most Americans trust Congress over Bush on Iraq
Bush smart? What flavor Kool-Ade is that you're drinking?
But not soon enough.
Yeah. That was a real non-polluter, wasn't it? Quiet too, eh?
So the Rabbit has A/C, A/T and an interior as roomy as the Prius?
We were discussing fuel economy, not "pollution" or "quietness," little one.
However having said that, you will find that today's diesels are much more refined that those of 30 years ago, while still offering outstanding fuel economy. (Of course you knew that, you were simply being disingenuous.) All without hundreds of pounds of expensive batteries or a complex Rube Goldberg drivetrain, and of course a properly-designed diesel engine will run nearly forever by automotive standards.
To today's hybrids I say "Thanks, but no thanks." But I would certainly consider a diesel.
The Rabbit was a smoky rattletrap.
Yeah, who cares about pollution and quietness, anyway. Buncha God-damned treehuggers.
Meanwhile you'll stand on the sidelines and snipe? Thanks for sharing.
What makes you think they will go bad?
Most conventional cars don't go to 300000, because keeping them stops being economical quite some time before that. Glad that your Cherokee gives you good service, but why wouldn't a Prius do that?
Like having a gear box with at least 11 cogs, and moving them in an out all the time, pushing against synchronizing rings to adjust rotation differences?
Standard technology is well understood and known. But KISS looks different to me :-)
Actually turbo prop was developped after jet engines. 50 years on, people still buy them and on short hops they seem to be very economical and loved by the airlines.
Why would the fact it may be a transitional technology speak against hybrids? Today it's a quite interesting package to eco conscious new car buyers. That's what counts.
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And you can't even kill yourself using the exhaust fumes of a Prius... :->
I'm in Europe, I've got access to up to date Diesel technology. And most Diesels, unless they have filters, stink. Not when new or after a year or two, but when they start aging, they are not fun to drive behind in a convertible.
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Well, around here (the Phoenix area), except for about three months in the Summer, Diesel fuel costs more than Premium gasoline. Fortunately, the Prius doesn't have a Rube Goldberg drive train either. Don't forget that there are a number of states where you can't buy a Diesel automobile at all--namely, California, New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Vermont, Rhode Island, Maine and New Jersey.
Yep, stupid people, of whatever party, just don't get elected President of the United States... and I havn't had Kool Aid in years, you?
Jeff DeWitt
Whatever, the current crop of Congresscritters are doing even worse.
As you are obviously far to the left of me we will disagree on this one.
According to the latest CBS News/New York Times polls Bush is at 30%, Congress at 26%
No I read very well, although sometimes I have trouble understanding lefties.
As for the rest... do your own digging, I really came here to talk about cars.
Jeff DeWitt
I don't know that they will, electric motors and generators potentially have very long lives, there are electric cars almost 100 years old with their original motors. But we just don't know about these, they haven't been around that long... and however reliable they are they aren't gong to be cheap to replace.
Even assuming the motor/generators, the power split device and the drive chains hold up to get that kind of life the engine is going to have to be rebuilt and the batteries replaced. I've no doubt a Prius COULD be made to last that long, when you come right down to it any car can be kept going for as long as you are willing to spend money on it.
I've got a total of about $4,000 in repairs aside from normal maintenance stuff in that 300,000 miles. (Engine, clutch and radiator)
Ever look inside an automatic? As you say stick shift technology is well understood and I know more about the inside of those things than I'd care to remember... my Jeep may be about as reliable as a cement block but my 48 year old Studebaker is something else again!
I stand corrected.
It speaks against hybrids if you want to keep the thing for a long time, if your going to buy one, drive it for a few years and sell it again that's something else again.
Jeff DeWitt
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