What did Toyota know, and when did they know it?

I think you're giving Kelso way too much credit. 3d grade? I could read a lot better than that in 3d grade. . . .

Charles Grozny

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charlesgrozny
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I got it.

And I can tell that this is sarcasm too.

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mm

Well maybe German cars hold up better in Europe than in the US. But, I've had to many negative experiencs with the eletrical bits of German cars sold in the US to think that Bosch makes everything perfect. I survived 3 VWs, an Audi, a German built Fiesta, and a BMW. All had electrical bits that failed....and failed again...and again. Power windows, alternators, the stupid tail light assembles (who can't build tail light bulb holders that work for 20 years - I tell you who, the Germans!). Maybe the Italians and British do worse - I don't know, we haven't gotten significant numbers of cars from those countries in years.

Here is my partially remembered list of electrical failures:

Fiesta (German built)- alternator - Bosch, but at least the brushes were easy to repalce....and repalce again. Nothing else electrical on the car that could fail. Audi - cooling fan relay (and I only kept the car 3 years) VW Jetta (German built) - in tank fuel pump - twice, alternator once, all the power windows, fuse box melted VW Passat (German built) -alternator, all the power windows, sunroof motor, instruments went flaky, burned out tail lights constantly VW Jetta (Built in Mexico?) - dash would suddenly stop working and then start again as mysteriously, underhood fuse block melted, taillights burned out constantly, alternator failed, second fuse block showed burned marks, got rid of the car BMW 740 (GErman built) - what didn't go wrong with the electronics - CD Player died, both tailight assemblies had to be replaced becasue the contacts burned up, power windows failed, power seat failed, so many things I can't remeber them all......This car was an absolute money pit.

Only the BMW was purchased used (with less than 80k miles). All the others were purchased new.

I like German cars. Thye usually fit me well, are comfortable, drive well, and look great. But I don't think they are as reliable as American or Japanese built cars. If I had plenty of excess cash, I'd probably buy a Mercedes, but I don't think I'd expect the sort of reliability you get from a Camry and I don't have plenty of cash.

Ed

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C. E. White

In message , C. E. White writes

You're right they're not as reliable as Japanese cars, but nothing is as unreliable (India and China excepted) as an American car.

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Clive

Don't be too sure this time...!

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Hachiroku

And here we have Clive, a British expert on German, American, Chinese, Indian, and Japanese cars. He is a most welcome addition to our current team of world auto experts, Jim Beam and HairyChoke. With this team, rec.autos.tech is now ready to take global questions. We are fortunate, indeed.

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Bob Cooper

It's Hachiroku. I knew you had some kind of reading deficiency.

BTW, I do have something hairy that could choke you, if I swung that way. I don't, so you'll have to get your thrills elsewhere.

My guess is you're jealous because some of us actually know something.

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Hachiroku

In message , Bob Cooper writes

I am not and have never claimed to be an expert and I have repeated often that my information comes from a Consumer Magazine, here in the UK called "Which?". They yearly send out questionnaires to their readership and in conjunction with other like magazines around Europe test a large range of many cars that are on sale here, if you want, I can copy their list in order of reliability. What is most important is that they never take advertisements from anyone so the don't have to keep anyone sweet. Before you deny anything regarding J.D. Power surveys, we get them too. But they carry adverts which are corrupting. I used to work with someone who did tests for magazines and if the product did not meet it's spec. Then it would be returned until one was delivered that did. Magazines make as much from advertising as they do from readership which is why unlike "which?" They are biased.

And Nissan owning. Other than that, yes I do know about electronics though I been retired about ten years and think that things could well have moved on since then.

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Clive

Glad to:

1974 Toyota Corolla, 70,000 miles 1972 Toyota Corona MKII, 35,000 miles 1973 Volvo 1800ES 45,000 miles 1972 Corona 42,000 miles 1978 Toyota Corolla, 58,000 miles 1980 Toyota Corolla 244,000 miles 1985 Toyota Corolla GTS 258,000 miles 1985 Toyota truck 32,000 miles 1985 Toyota Celica 32,000 miles 1987 Toyota Corolla 48,000 miles 1988 Honda Accord 62,000 miles 1994 Plymouth Grand Voyager 25,000 miles 1994 Plymouth Grand Voyager 12,000 miles 1994 Chrysler LHS 44,000 miles

Total 975,000 miles. I'm sure I left a couple out, but it's close enough to a million to call it. If you add the 14,000 I've put on my Scion, and the 22,000 I put on my Subaru, I'm sure we're there.

And I bet the only think you've ever wrenched is an ankle. Dickhead.

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Hachiroku

Dismiss this idiot. He's just another Know-it-all who doesn't know his ass from a donkey.

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Hachiroku

Nice list, but I am sure my parent could add to a lot more miles than that driving Fords. Heck, I can beat that just adding up the miles I've drivin in Fords sine 1972 (when I bought my first car) and I have significant periods of driving vehciels from other manufacturers...

Let me think (miles orunded off to the nearest 10 thousands):

*1972 Pinto - 110,000 (but 30,000k were done by a Sister - I gave her the car, she drove it for three years, then gave it back) *1973 Pinto - 100,000 (but I only did 10,000 of them - it was another Sisters car, that I bought after wrecking my Jensen-Healey. I drove it for about 4 months while I was rebuilding the J-H) *1978 Ford Courier - 80,000 miles (but I only drove it about 10,000 miles, my Father gave it to me when he got a new farm truck. I hated it). *1978 Fairmont - 32,000 miles (I hated the car, but it was reliable) *1978 Ford Fiesta - 140,000 miles (but I only did 70,000 - I biught it from a sister to use as a comuter car) *1986 Mercury Sable - 143,000 (all mine) *1986 Ford Ranger (90,000 mile, but I only drove it about 30,000 miles - it was totalled in an accident. My Father gave it to me when he got a new farm truck) *1989 Ford Taurus Wagon - 10,000+ - the ex-wife got it beforre I drove it much *1992 F150 - 110,000 (all mine) *1996 Ford Explorer - 32,000 (al mine, but I didn't really liek the vehicle) *1997 Ford Expedition - 149,000 *2001 Ford Mustang GT- 40,0000 (got rid of it before my son turned 16) *2003 Ford Expedition - 100,000 (got rid of it when my kids stopped riding with me) *2004 Ford Thunderbird - 32,000 (I loved the car, but it was impractical) *2001 Mercury Grand Marquis (100,000 miles, but onloy 10,00 were mine - it was my Mom's car and I drove it for a while after she got a new car - I hated it) *2007 Ford Fusion - 64,000 and counting *2009 F150 - 34,000 and counting

That is around 1,056,000 miles in Fords driven by me that I owned for at least part of theierexistence. I probably drove Ford's owned by my parents at least another 30,000 miles. I probably did another 300,000 miles in a combination of US and foreign vehciles (Datsun, Nissans, Toyota, Mazda, various British cars, Saturn, Plymouth, etc.). In all those miles in Fords, I only ever had one major problem - the 19789 Fairmont was delivered with a severe water leak that the dealer could not fix. I finally fixed it myself. I hated the car (only car I ever owned with a vinyl roof). I am not sure what possesed me to buy it. As soon as I could afford to dump it, I did.

Ed

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C. E. White

1980 Merc Zephyr, same car as the Fairmont...three transmissions, all on Ford, thank you, and when it started hesitating my Mom almost got caught in an intersection getting t-boned and said, "That's it" and from then on there wasn't another Domestic product in our family until I got the Chryslers.

Oh, and I forgot...37,000 greuling miles in a Jetta.

In all cases, all miles driven were by me, even though others drove some of them.

Quite impressive...how did YOU rack up all those miles?!?! Mile were from50+ mile treks to work, Canada a few times (a LOT) and just general I feel like going for a cruise today...

I was averaging 35-40,000 miles a year for a LONG time!

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Hachiroku

17th time
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Ashton Crusher

In message , C. E. White writes

Anyone that buys a Jensen-Healey is a basket case. I've only owned two Fords, the first was an Escort Mk1 brand new in

1970, the accelerator would stay put where ever you pushed it to and the only way to stop the engine racing was to put your foot under the pedal and pull it back with your toes. The garage where it was bought acknowledged the fault but couldn't rectify it. My second Ford was a Cortina Mk3, there was nothing that didn't go wrong in that car from Cardan shaft to needing two clutches in 10 months, it was by far the most unreliable car I ever owned Which was why I started to buy Japanese, my wife had a Datsun Cherry and I got the same, just a later model, the name changed to Nissan, but we were so impressed with the reliability we've been through seven including one of our present cars, and now we also own our first Toyota.
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Clive

We know.

Moron.

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Hachiroku

So now you are so desperate that you make up stuff [] that I never said and post it, as you did above, back into the thread. Shows your intellectual dishonesty. Do you think the others who read these threads are so stupid that they will fall for your intellectually dishonest attempts to make points? If you think they are that stupid you are insulting them.

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Ashton Crusher

Which "Gentleman's club" would that be?

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Hachiroku

Which ones do you frequent?

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Ashton Crusher

Touche! ;)

Ashton gets two points!

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Hachiroku

Now can we all be friends? There's enough ugly in the world without us adding to it.

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Ashton Crusher

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