[Help Please] Rover 100 heating problem

Okay, long story short... well as short as possible. (Full story below but here it is in a nutshell...)

Sister has '95 Rover 100 and it lost heat in the passenger cabin in Dec

2002. She tells me in August 2003 and mentions a mechanic quoted £200-£300 in January to fix it.

I flush, clean and refill the system at cost of parts only. Happy days, all working again and heat in the cabin.

Sometime later (weeks) she leaves expansion tank cap off for unknown length of time. Forgets to refit it after diy maintenance. Car overheats (naturally) and needs to be topped off again.

I trickle in water and coolant to avoid shock to engine block. Engine temp gauge reads normal when engine gets up to temp, Fan comes on when temp rises as car idles.

No heat in the cabin again. I think there's an airlock somewhere but I'm not able to locate it. Tried bleeding the upper tube going into the cabin unit but I only get water / steam (coolant mix) when engine is running. When engine is stopped, there is no water / steam at the bleed valve.

I suspect I may have to force water through cabin unit again. Not looking forward to it.

Any other ideas please?

TIA

Keith

P.S. Have tried putting contract out on sister but no takers, ha ha! ;o)

Okay, full story below - it's a saga...

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Dec 2002, my sister's Rover 100 loses heating in passenger cabin.

She talks to a mechanic who quotes £200-£300 to fix it, dash off, replace unit, dash on, refill, test, etc.

Sister ignores problem for 8 months. Start of August, engine temp gauge shows overheating. No fan operation. Sister tells me about car and about mechanic. I tell her what parts and fluids, etc. to get.

I spend next day flushing old fluids out (none of this 'dash off - dash on'), use a cleaner fluid to do a good job in the system. Remove thermistor and clean the calcified rubbish off it. Flush twice and refill with correct water / coolant mix.

Run engine up to temp, cabin heats up, let it idle, fan comes on.

Sister lives 20 miles away so she's given instructions to check water level next morning and top up to indicated mark.

Okay. That was start of August.

Two weeks ago, she's driving home after midnight and calls to say that the car has overheated again and she's turned off the engine.

I head out with tow bar, coolant and water to investigate.

The expansion tank lid is missing. She tells me she took it off to top up the tank and forgot to put it back on again. Not sure how long it's been off. Call it luck or whatever but expansion tank lid is found caught in some wiring near the headlamp.

Very slowly and carefully I add some coolant and then some water to the expansion tank over 60 minutes so as to reduce the effects of thermal shock to the engine.

I start the engine and let it run up to temp. Fan works but no heat in the cabin. I continue to trickle in water and coolant.

Expansion tank empties and I reach over to bleed the hose going into the cabin. All valves are open to let in the heat from the engine. No heat. I trickle in more water and coolant.

Okay, nearly two hours have gone by and suddenly there is heat in the cabin. Happy days.

Sister followed home with instructions to check / top-up the water level the next day and to make arrangements to be at my house that weekend to get a routine maintenance check done - no more diy.

Sister ignores advice, arrives at house complaining car is cold again. Hasn't had heat for two weeks.

Present Day... what could be the cause? How can I cure it?

Reply to
Cotku
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In view of what you've already done, and the fact that it worked for a while, I guess it must simply be another airlock as you suggest. I would try disconnecting one of the hoses to the heater, and forcing water through with a garden hose, and once flowing freely, quickly connect it up again ! The only other possibilty is some loose debris, which again can only be removed by flushing back and forth.

I also have a sister with a Fiesta, and quite honestly, she doesn't deserve it to work ! The top of the engine is always dry, despite constant reminders !!!!!....

Andy Pandy To e-mail, address hopefully, self-explanatory !

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Andy Pandy

Thanks Andy!

That's what I figured but there's always the possibility ...

Sisters, sheesh!

Cheers,

Keith

Reply to
Cotku

the rover 100's are very difficult to bleed air out of the cooling system, there are bleed valves just before the hose enters the heater matrix (in the engine bay) but even bleeding through these still leaves a small amount of air in the heater matrix. you will need to run the engine at fast idle (about 2500rpm) for about a minute to force the air out of the heater matrix after you have initially bled through the bleed valves. cross your fingers that you havent damaged the head gasket during overheating.

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steve

I tried explaining to my sister that if she continues to drive the engine without getting it fixed now (while I'm still cheap), she's going to have a bill that will cost more than the car is worth. No point in trying to explain it technically with head gaskets and skimming and oil/water mayo, etc.

"Engine out", "Mechanic's labour" and "Hundreds of pounds" all get more attention.

She still insists on driving it hard (stop and go), up to 80 or 100 miles at a time, because she has 'things to do and people to see' - go figure...

I've never treated a car the way she treats hers. But then none of my cars were 'given' to me, I had to pay for them with hard-earned cash.

Thanks for the tip about the fast idle - I did try that but I maybe only gave it about 10 seconds at a time. I was seeing air being forced into the expansion tank but I'll try it for a bit longer next time she decides she has time to bring the car over.

Cheers,

Keith

-- "If the car 'goes south', I don't care, I'm not the one who drove it there."

Reply to
Cotku

Personally speaking, it sounds like she should be just left to get on with it and let experience take it's course. Once she has to fork out for repairs from a garage for a new engine, or having to buy a new car (worse case) she may suddenly learn the value of money and how much she has imposed on your good nature.

If your going to drive a car at these speeds, it does help to have it in

100% good condition in the first place, and I do wonder just how many of the "my head gasket is leaking" messages we see in the group all start with cars that suffer maintenance abuse.

PDH

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Paul Hubbard

She finally brought the car over today (Sunday) and I tried Steve's advice about the fast idle first but that didn't work.

So I left the engine to cool off for about 3 1/2 hours, got the hose out and run in a few litres of water.

There was an almighty burble and all this air appeared in the expansion tank.

I reconnected the hose and ran the engine up to temp.

There was some heat at first and it stayed constant for a while but after a run of about 30 minutes, the heat built up in the cabin and the temp gauge hovered at normal.

Thanks for the confidence vote,

Cheers,

Keith

Reply to
Cotku
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That's how I feel but there's a sense of family and all that kind of 'bleeding heart' nonsense and what the h*ll am I talking about?

I can't explain it. I guess *I'd* feel guilty if through her own fault *she* screwed up and asked me for help that one time .. and I said no ... and something happened to her.

I ranted a bit there, I get pretty p*ssed off at the way she treats me. And I always think "Next time there's a crisis, it's 'No'."

But it never is ...

Cheers,

Keith

Reply to
Cotku

I checked inside the rocker cover and it was very black and shiny so no mayonnaise there. Is there another indication of a blown head gasket? I only ever saw one in an Escort 1.4 engine.

I tried the longer fast idle but it didn't help much. There was some heat but it was intermittent.

In the end, I undid a hose and blasted some water in. There was a lot of burbling and the expansion tank filled up a bit with air. I reconnected the hose and took it for a run. Full heat again.

But thanks again for your suggestion, Steve,

Cheers,

Keith

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Cotku

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