how to buy a used 9000 CSE

Saabs depreciate so quickly they can be the best buy in the used euro/luxobox market. I got a 93 9000CSE turbo, 5 spd, leather, wood,

140k for US$3500. I put in about $2500. for clutch (failed at ~160k), starter, tires, exhaust, CV boot, ACC blower, heater core, voltage reg., engine mounts, cruise switch, CV boot, door lock motor, tie rods, oil pressure switch, various fluids, filters & doohickeys. I've since put on about 25k miles with no problems. Where else can you get a luxury car for ~$6000. that rides great, looks good with tons of room when you want to pile in friends or for that antique you want to lug home? The room of an SUV the practicality of a wagon, the ride of a sports sedan (almost). No, it's not a BMW, big F'in deal; it's close enough. I drive it in the real world not the race track. And it's always fun to skoot by BMWs as they spin their rear wheels in the snow. Saab - the intelligent person's BMW.

9000 vs. 900 I don't get the idea of the 900. Less room than a 9000, a touch better gas mileage, about the same price. No thanks. The "classic" pre-94 900 had a distinctive look but it's nothing special in terms of reliability OR safety despite Saab's reputation. How could the Saab brain surgeons leave out a rear wiper???

How to buy a 9000 Get the last generation: 93-98 (98 was the best year). Get the hatch; much more practical. The top end Aero is not really worth the extra $. Don't be a baby, get the manual 5 spd. Better gas mileage, better performance, more reliable, more FUN. I never drove a manual till I bought my first car. Drove it home from the dealer; stalled only once. A manual becomes automatic after about a week as they say.

Replace the spark plugs RELIGIOUSLY at 12k miles or risk losing the Direct Ignition cassette ~US$350.) They tend to go unpredictably. I carry a spare. Easy to replace.

There are certain failure trends to expect.

At ~100k miles: the ACC blower motor goes. Not cheap to replace but as long as you're in that area do the heater core too. The engine mounts start to get mushy. Replace them or replace the tranny. Replace the plastic shifter collar & spring. The exhaust should be about shot.

150k miles: The clutch on my 88 9000S went at 125k miles, on my 93 9000CSE at 155k. Somewhere in there you should replace the clutch AND hydraulics. Some say to replace the timing chain others say to wait till you hear a rattle. You decide. Probably a good idea to replace the starter & alternator brushes. Smooth sailing from here on...........

A good strategy is to get a high mileage car where these issues have already been addressed.

Keep in mind a Saab is not a Toyota or Honda. It's only as good as your mechanic. If you want to go broke use a Saab dealer. I suggest you find an independent specialist. If you're in the NYC area I HIGHLY recommend Roland who owns Swedish Saab repair on Atlantic & Classon in Brooklyn (917) 543-5438, (718) 622-3838). Highly competent and scrupulously honest. How often can you say that about a car mechanic? Have him check it out BEFORE you buy it.

You're welcome.

-G

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Hahahahahaha.

My '94 CSE cost me £720 - joke ! ( $ 1300 approx ). Fully loaded inc ACC, cruise, Saab upgrade audio system inc rad / cass / CD and it sounds awesome.

It's nuts. I've seen them go for around £500 ( $ 900 ) too ! Simply check ebay.

You're right that Saabs are a great s/h buy though. A quality car for very little money. Most ppl fear the service costs but checking around actually shows them to be quite inexpennsive to fix for a quality car as long as you know the ppl who supply parts at a sensible price.

Graham

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Pooh Bear

SHIT! I thought I got a good deal.

PS. Where can I get a wood grain shift knob? The leather is starting to give out.

-G

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geo

You have no soul.

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Grunff

UK used Saab prices are absurdly low.

Ebay ? Tons of Saab parts on the UK site.

Graham

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Pooh Bear

The Aero has nice 16" alloys, you can sometimes buy them separately.

Spark plugs should last 24k miles as they are automatically cleaned. Changing the plugs should be done with extreme care; don't overtighten or cross thread, or you will have expensive problems. Hence, I gap them correctly and leave for 24k miles.

Any great car needs maintenance. If you spend £2000 buying a £25,000 car, then don't expect that driving it will be equally cheap.

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Johannes

Good for you Graham (The last of the big spenders!!)

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John Hudson

You won't make friends with that attitude.

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Sleeker GT Phwoar

There was a wiper for the C900, but it was for some reason, VERY rare.

You know that plastic circle on the bottom of the C900 hatch glass? The hole in the center was popped out and the wiper installed.

I looked and look for this, but never found one!

SG

How could the Saab

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Saab Guy

I've never believed in spending more than I need to. ;-)

Some body got a snip on this '95 9000CS. Just £475.

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Graham

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Pooh Bear

self cleans, don't need no freaking wiper :-)

Safety? Friend lost it - bounced off armco at high speed, walked away.....car still drove (just!)

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john

Heresy, I know. The Saab faithful will start marching around my house with pitchforks & torches any day now I'm sure.

And another thing-in the 9000 why would the Saab braintrust leave out their signature feature: the key between the seats???

-G

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george struk

Signature feature? There were good reasons to put the key between the seats, but you can't have everything in life. The 9000 is wider and roomier than the C900, so maybe there was space enough around the steering column so that the key was less of a hazard. The cockpit environment that curves around the driver is an obvious Saab signature feature, if you like.

The 9000 really went in a new direction for Saab, the planning started already in 1974 after the 1973 oil crisis. The Type 4 project was the first attempt to design a fuel and space efficient large car with the transverse fwd layout.

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Johannes

It is just the current Saab management that pursues this idea. The NG900 had a steering wheel key location just until very recently before the model release, the change being initiated by some management decision.

The location between the seats was introduced for the 99 model, all earlier models had a more classical location.

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th

I'll second that - yars ago I walked away from a T-bone that severely injured the car but left me surprisingly unhurt; plus many evaulations I've seen placed the c900 ahead of Volvos of the same vintage AND the GM900s. From memory there wasn't much difference between it and the 9000 either. Cheers

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hippo

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