I'm thinking of rejoining the fold....

And this time with a FPT 2.3 9000. Would love a 900 convertable FPT (89-91ish) but still can't quite=20 stretch.

So, opinions. If I was to budget =A32.5-3k for a car.

9000 CD Carlsson 2.3 9000 CSE 2.3 FPT 9000 Anniversary 2.3 FPT 9000 Aero

I deliberatley left out Griffins, as I want a manual rather than auto=20 box. I know that I will be at the ropier/higher mileage end of the Aeros, and=20 even a good CD Carlsson will be ropier, but pennies by comparison, and=20 not be as well specced, but what do you think? Prices for 9000s seemed=20 to have taken a real drop in the last year. When I was looking, before=20 getting the Celica, Aeros were still fetching =A34-6k, it seems to be from= =20 =A32.5k for a rough one to 4k for a good one.

Anything specific to look out for?

--=20 Carl Robson Car PC Build starts again.

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in article snipped-for-privacy@news.individual.net, Sleeker GT Phwoar at snipped-for-privacy@bouncing-czechs.com wrote on 06/07/2005 13:25:

... That's the one ...

Paul

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Paul Halliday

Paul,

"Where train street street" is what your sentence means in Swedish.

FYI

SaabGuy

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Saab Guy

Agreed - likely the least abused and relatively young vintage with the stronger 5 speed. Will start to cost more as it creeps into 125,000

  • miles as the rubber parts and electronic sensors start to get old. Be prepared for higher running costs over the C900 - but not as breath taking as the NG900.

If you can find a 1995 that has had the age related work done - you will be equally pleased, the body shells after 1993 are less prone to rust (though not impervious) and, I feel, the build quality was a little more precise between 1993 and 1996.

There is a lot of feeling against the TCS system. Personally, given the snow and ice conditions here and it's primary use as a family ride - I like it on the 5 speed. Saves tires if nothing else and it comes with a dash off switch that can be added if not already in place.

The early Aero at 225hp is *everything* they are reputed to be - the seats are even better than stock and it will pull harder than anything you've ever driven from Trollhatten. That said - they have usually been run harder than average models and everything that means.

Stating the obvious - don't buy on the model - buy on the car itself. This is more true of the 9000 than the C900 because of the electronics involved.

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in article snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com, Saab Guy at snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com wrote on 06/07/2005 19:19:

Below is the phrase in question from my current .sig

"Where did the road go?" It's a play on words where the same word used twice has a different meaning, given the context, like "ska vi ha sex klockan sex?" :)

Train is tåg, anyway ...

Paul

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in article snipped-for-privacy@news.eastlink.ca, Dexter J at snipped-for-privacy@lamelamelame.org wrote on 06/07/2005 19:26:

That's the crux of all the advice we could give. I'd still advise a late C900 or the pinnacle year of the T8 (1989 MY) for simplicity, but our man seems to have his heart set on a 9000. I don't blame him ... They're lovely cars.

The electrical failures on the 9000s (well, any car with that many electrical systems) become more of a PITA than a cause of a breakdown. The later the car, the greater the chance less has already failed :)

Paul

Var tog vägen vägen? SAAB : Nothing on earth comes close

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A has already been said, an Anniversary is likely to have been better looked after, but I don't think there'll be a great deal in it. I'd personally avoid Carlssons, but that's because I don't like the way they look.

As far as things to look out for, there are very few common faults on these cars. Heater matrix, but that's no big deal really. Look out for smokey turbos, especially on overrun. Look for a nice clean car with as much history as you can get.

I've seen a few bent rear axle tubes on 9ks, caused by idiot garages jacking them up in the middle. This ruins the rear camber. Take a quick look underneath.

They're good cars, and a 2.3T will be lots of fun. Hope you find a good one.

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Paul,

I know, I wasn't sure if you knew. I also thought that you didn't have the = Swedish Character display, so you replaced =E5 with o. :)=20 Ingen F=F6dda!

Vi Ses!

Saab Guy!

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that is my biggest concern about a 9k, the expensive nature of a fly by=20 wire throttle and the TCS or ABS failing.

True, very true.

Thanks. Yes, I know, I may need to wait a little while before I do even=20 start looking, but I think I'm set to spend a little time on it this=20 time too. No rushing. I'm not setting myself on a particular spec so if=20 the right car comes up, I won't discount it immediatley based on model.

I know Saabs drive better on manual gearbox, but does the 9000 autobox=20 take much out of the experience, it is just that auto 9000's are=20 actually selling at roughly 50% of the price of manuals, and I've never=20 driven an auto.

Now might be a good time to sell the Celica as it still has 12 months=20 MOT, and I' taking it in to get the brake flexis replaced as the old=20 ones are definatley showing signs of cracking (don't know how the MOT=20 man missed it, both me and my mechanic both spotted it, and reckoned it=20 would be at least an advisory note). While I'm driving it, it is going=20 to be safe, an for as long as possible, in full working order. I don't=20 neglect a car just because I plan to sell it. If I spotted it, and it=20 might be important, then so might a buyer. it might put them off, it=20 might reduce the price, and worse, they might not see it, they might buy=20 it, and something might fail that I knew could do with=20 repairing/replacing.

Would anyone consider a repaired insurance write off. According to the seller, this=20

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a Category C insurance write off, just because of the =A31000=20replacment cost of a bumper (insurance price) and the bonnet). I looks solid, it looks straight, and it looks like he is being honest=20 when you question him.=20

--=20 Carl Robson Car PC Build starts again.

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in article 42cc3314$0$7918$ snipped-for-privacy@news.zen.co.uk, Grunff at snipped-for-privacy@ixxa.com wrote on 06/07/2005 20:40:

Discussion about which 9000 model would be a good replacement for a Toyota Celica GT4, given that the potential owner has already owned a C900.

There's something quite wrong with you, isn't there? :) BMWs ... Not liking Carlssons ...

9000 Carlies look fckn beefy ... They're a gorgeous slab of retro-action. Aside from a pre-facelift CD, they're my favourite 9000 shape.

On the 2.3 9000, how do you distinguish between the 170 BHP LPT and the 200 BHP FPT? Is it still a case of a boost gauge on the dash? My mate's 9000 Anniversary is reputedly the 170 BHP LPT, although it does have an intercooler and the Aero-style exhaust. He bought it from my usual SAAB specialist mechanics. According to what I've read, the LPT does not have an intercooler, so perhaps my garage just overlooked that when I missed it on first perusal and he's actually bought a 200 BHP FPT. It does feel very fast!

Paul

Var tog vägen vägen? SAAB : Nothing on earth comes close

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in article snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com, Saab Guy at snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com wrote on 06/07/2005 20:48:

I particularly like the phrase ... It embodies a normal pleasure-driving Sunday afternoon for me, after thrashing around archetypal English country lanes in the snaab SAAB and ending up in a field surrounded by cows or fast approaching a hedge and a field of worried looking sheep ;) It also reminds me of the mid-1980s SAAB adverts ... You know ... The one where the C900 drives off the cliff and turns into a Gripen!

Nothing on earth comes close ...

I'm still learning and in no way fluent ... Just being clever :) Give me a clue ... "I wasn't starting anything!" as a literal translation?

Paul

Var tog vägen vägen? SAAB : Nothing on earth comes close

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Paul Halliday

I think it has the intercooler, but not the boost gauge. AFAIK, they are even easier to to make into FPTs than C900's are, because of the presence of the IC.

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in article snipped-for-privacy@news.individual.net, Sleeker GT Phwoar at snipped-for-privacy@bouncing-czechs.com wrote on 06/07/2005 21:33:

From what I've read, I suspect he just needs a software re-map to unlock the full Aero potential. The VIN didn't give away any clues, apart from marking it out as the correct model. The power of the vehicle is still at question. It does feel a lot more than 170 BHP; more like another mate's 325 which should be a similar weight and is around 200 BHP.

The Anni is a lurvely car ... There are a couple near you on Auto Trader, but they're both autos. The manual is still a very comfortable ride ... Completely different to the "wheelies" you pull in the C900 :) Give Ross (on SAAB Central/UK SAABs) a shout ... He's a former C900 pilot with an uprated Anniversary model.

LOL! Just googled back through groups.google.com for our conversation a couple of years ago when Skoda Pilot was talked into the C900 :) Happy memories :)

Paul

Var tog vägen vägen? SAAB : Nothing on earth comes close

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and "väg" is road, street more corresponds to "gata" a word you still can find in older English east coast cities influenced by the vikings: "Kings Gate" is something I have seen in Lincoln, I guess York has something similar.

Just to correct the grammar: "Vart tog vägen vägen?" is the correct expression. "Where" can be translated either into "vart" if it's a direction involved, or into "var" if it's just a position, like in "Where are you?" = "Var är du?". Compare with "Where are you going?" = "Vart går du?"

End of Swedish grammar lesson (part 1?).

A more complicated example:

- Far, får får får?

- Nej, får får inte får, får får lamm.

- Father, does sheep give birth to sheep?

- No, sheep don't give birth to sheep, sheep give birth to lamb. (or maybe it can be made shorter by someone who is more fluent in English?)

Sorry for the very off-topic post!

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The throttle is still an old fashioned wire. TCS can always be disconnected and ABS is on almost all cars today and is a very reliable system.

My former 9000 was an 130 hp normally aspirated engine, the current is an 150 hp turbo, two completely different cars but I think the main difference being the turbo, which makes the car much quicker. My brother borrowed the 9000 auto for some time when his C900, 118 (or maybe it is

130 since it is a 16-valve engine) hp manual was in the garage, and he felt the 9000 to be equally fast and much more comfortable.
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Paul,

Oh my god! I don't remember that! You know I am trying an exhaustive search= worldwide for ALL SAAB Adverts to eventually place on saabvideos.com?

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Do you have that video of the C900 driving off a cliff and turning into a G= ripen????? Wow!!! What year was that? Do you have any videos?

SaabGuy

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Aye. So there are. Remember discovering your site with your historical pictures of Saabs you owned before Orca, and the fateful shunting.

The meeting up with you on here, and the other two Saab forums.

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Sleeker GT Phwoar

in article snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com, Saab Guy at snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com wrote on 06/07/2005 22:19:

Just to jog people's memories ... The middle picture here is from the advert:

That advert was tacked to the beginning of a 'Top Gear' (UK car programme) article about the 9-5 IIRC. That was a memorable article, since the presenter Jeremy Clarkson described SAAB owners as Dentists and Architects and 'having "that" grin' ... It is available online ... Somewhere.

Paul

Vart tog vägen vägen? SAAB : Nothing on earth comes close

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Paul Halliday

I just think it's a bit much...

Boost gauge and APC solenoid. Even the boost gauge can be hit and miss.

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Grunff

Paul,

Excellent. "Top Gear". Of course, a takeoff of "Top Gun" as they were done = in 1985, which makes sense.

Now just to find out how to get a copy of the video itself. Do you know whe= re to get the video? I've been searching online for 3-4 years now and I hav= e realized that I needed to contact the AD agencies themselves directly for= old VHS videocasettes.

Do you know any of the Saab Ad Agencies in the U.K. from the 1950s, 1960s, =

1970s, 1980s, 1990s, etc?

Thanks.

SaabGuy

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