Oh god, what do I do about the C900 Cab.

After contacting the seller about the car, he said he wasn't sure=20 whether it was LPT or FPT but other visitors had said it was full, but=20 have a look at his website for better photos.

I did, and I'm less than impressed. There is no doubt from the pictures that the car is in mint physical=20 bodily condition, but his description is very misleading. It it had been=20 all good, planned to go to about =A32,500. It finishes in 10 hours and is= =20 only at =A32000. He has it advertised on his website at =A33999.

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that engine is very spangly and the rest of the car matches.http://www.classicallines.com/main.php?cat=3Dmain&car=3D18 Use the side menu for the rest of the pictures.

Something is missing in that engine bay, several something actually.

His Ebay Options description "Air Conditioning, Alloy Wheels, Cassette Player, Catalytic Converter,=20 Central Locking, Convertible, Electric Windows, Leather Seats, Power- assisted Steering (PAS), Premium Sound System, Rear Spoiler"

And he thought it was an FPT.

Thing is, I'm not seeing any compressor, refrigerant lines or even an=20 intercooler there, the turbo appears to go straight to the throttle=20 body.

More worrying is the oil staining below the dizzy. Suggests the oil ring=20 has gone or is going. And it looks fairly recent and still damp, rather=20 than having been replaced.

MOT is only until Sept 2005, and I'm wondering how much little jobs=20 haven't been done, if the dizzy oil leak can get missed. He says it has=20 very good history.

I know the reason it has only reached =A32000 is because it isn't in the=20 Saab section, but in the "Other Classic Cars", and not alot of=20 "ordinary" folks fancy them or think they could afford to run/repair=20 them, but I'm wondering, what is a late convertible 900 LPT with leather=20 but no aircon, a slightly didgy reverse gear and a leaky distributor=20 with 2 months MOT (at best) and 109k miles worth? I know they tend to=20 sell between =A33-7000, but what are they really worth?

Should I go for this? It has been too far to go see it, so it will be a=20 blind bid, and trusting a car salesman.

Or would I be better off waiting for the 130k mile 9000 Aero to finish=20 in a couple of days. That too will be a blind purchase, but from a=20 private seller and was planning to go to arround =A32000 for it. It is currently at =A31565 but hasn't met reserve. is that reasonable for= =20 a 1997 in black with dark grey leather interior?

or there is a 9000 2.0 turbo on Autotrader near me. "1996 SAAB 9000 2.0 CSE EcoPower 5dr Cs Hatchback, Petrol, 185,000 miles, . Turbo,FSSH to 149k (Bay Horse Saab), receipts=20 after for proof of service, Airbags,ABS,EM,EW,CL,Computer,Cream=20 Leather,Climate and Aircon (that DOES Work),MOT til Feb'06, Tax 'til Nov=20 '05. The car runs very well. No expense has been spared on this car. I=20 even put a new windscreen in at my own expense since the old one was=20 hazy. Fuel consumption is 31.7mpg average but will go as high as 38 mpg=20 on long hauls. This car sailed through the previous two MOTs without any=20 work required. Excellent condition inside and outside, except for slight=20 scuff on rear bumper. NO rust at all. It has never let me down in the=20 two years that I have owned it. I only usually keep my cars for a year=20 and am only selling because I am after an automatic gearbox again.=20 =A3995."

Still need to phone to see if it is available. And if so, if it is an=20 FPT or LPT.

--=20 Carl Robson Car PC Build starts again.

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No, no air con there, and it's LPT.

That wouldn't worry me too much.

I think with an ebay car of that age, unless you're prepared to go and see it before bidding, you just have to assume that there will be a whole bunch of little things.

I think overall body + interior condition, as well as how well the engine runs, makes a really big difference. It's worth as much as someone will pay for it :-)

I wouldn't. If I was buying a cab, it'd be fpt.

EcoPower means it's LPT.

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Grunff

There's no intercooler, or APC indicator in the instrument cluster --> LPT

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MH

in article snipped-for-privacy@news.individual.net, Sleeker GT Phwoar at snipped-for-privacy@bouncing-czechs.com wrote on 17/07/2005 10:02:

It's a LPT. No intercooler or APC solenoid atop the radiator. Easily changed into a FPT, of course ...

Paul

1989 900 Turbo S
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Paul Halliday

It's a 9000 2.0 Eco that is local that I need to investigate (I believe the 9000 LPTs can be uprated pretty much plug and play with an ECU upgrade, I know for definate (I was pretty sure anyway) that the 900 is an LPT.

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Sleeker GT Phwoar

Cheers MH and Grunff.

Going to ring about that one later today and see if I can have a looksee. Would prefer black or grey leather to cream, and a 2.3 instead of a 2.0. But it is a black 9000, it has leather, aircon and hopefully an FPT engine. It wil do.

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Sleeker GT Phwoar

I've been told that 9000 2.0 lpts ( the ecos ) need the intercooler before you can up the boost pressure much. The story goes that the compressed intake air gets so hot that there's a danger of self detonation of the fuel-air mixture and a wrecked engine.

Graham

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Pooh Bear

I was under the impression at least on later ones, they got the intercooler. It was only the early LPTs didn't.

Later ones where the APC (Trionic cars I think) was no longer seperate had the intercooler, and a ECU swap effectively brings them to full power.

But yes, if no intercooler, increased intake temps from higher boost will cause detonation, in extremes, blown headgaskets at best. At worst, melted pistons.

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Sleeker GT Phwoar

Ya know I cant understand a word you are saying .

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PAPAGENE4JACK

Neither of my 2.0 lpts with trionic have an intercooler. '93 and '94 model years. Oh actually I haven't looked that closely at my 'new' '94 model yet but I didn't notice any extra plumbing.

Indeed. I've heard of it happening.

Graham

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Pooh Bear

The Celica GT4 club guys thought all Saabs were LPT, because they saw the small C900 intercoolers. They didn't get it that the LPT ones (c900 at least) never had intercoolers.

I explained that Saab actually equiped a basic UK FPT 900 16v with 12PSI and a 9.0:1 compression ratio, and had been doing so since 1884, unlike their 6-8PSI (depending on gear) High pressure models. I also explained that Saab engines with better intercoolers also push lots more boost through the standard engine internals once tuned.

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Sleeker GT Phwoar

This may help. A quote from Bill Jones on Saabscene about that exact question. "As far as I know, the only 9000 turbo that didn't have an intercooler was the 2.0 light-pressure turbo up to MY '95, and I understood that was never available in the US. "

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Sleeker GT Phwoar

Wow, since 1884, must have been impressive in the day :)

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James Sweet

Doh. Yes it was a Steam turbine back then :)

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Sleeker GT Phwoar

in article snipped-for-privacy@news.individual.net, Sleeker GT Phwoar at snipped-for-privacy@bouncing-czechs.com wrote on 22/07/2005 10:20:

What about a wood chip steam powered SAAB 99?

Paul

Vart tog vägen vägen? SAAB : Nothing on earth comes close

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Paul Halliday

A 99? I thought it was a 900. Anyway... it's not running on steam but on wood gas;

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MH

"Paul Halliday" skrev i meddelandet news:BF070F66.15485% snipped-for-privacy@blueyonder.co.uk...

It´s not steam powered. It runs on gas made of halfburnt wood. During WW2 it was used in Sweden because there was no gasoline.

Take a look at

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Blacksmith

in article dbro3e$u94$ snipped-for-privacy@news4.zwoll.ov.home.nl, MH at snipped-for-privacy@thanks.no wrote on

22/07/2005 22:15:

Hard to tell - it's got the rear wing of a 99, but 4 fours? My history is not too good here, but it looks like a 99 to me. Maybe the early 900s were shaped like that. Intriguing.

Cool! Thanks. Paul

Vart tog vägen vägen? SAAB : Nothing on earth comes close

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