Re: occasional use of high octane petrol

Peter Webb wrote:

>> My neighbour just purchased a 2 or 3 year old Honda CRV. >> >> It is rated for normal unleaded (92 octane), but the dealer advised >> using higher octane premium fuel every 4th or 5th fill up. No reason >> was given. >> >> Any reason to do so? >I always run my vs commodore on premium. >I find i actualy use less fuel when using it, it must make higher >torque or something.

A modern 'generic' engine from any current vehicle maker with electronic fuel management should be able to cope with any variation in fuel grade between about 90 and 100. I don't think any car maker builds cars without at least a basic ECU these days, mainly because the engines can't run properly without them. 8-)

My older pre-ULP (one 1983 model and one 1985 model) Saab C900's run just fine on premium fuel because the grading is between 95 and 98 RON and the engines are made from the right materials to deal with the different additives. I have not been able to find out whether premium fuels have valve protection additives in them though, so every few tankfuls I'm adding some Flashlube just to be sure.

Saab's 8V B201 engines (fitted to Saab 900's built from 1979 up to 1988 -

16V engines started being an option in 1985 btw) were designed to run on leaded fuel graded at about 97 RON, so the phase-out of LRP has forced the investigation of other options. The engines will run on lower octane (normal ULP, etc.) but they don't have any electronic fuel management (it's all based on the Bosch CIS aka K-Jetronic system) so there isn't any way to 'condition' the engine controls for different fuel grades.

I personally use Optimax whenever possible - other premium fuels give mixed results (BP Ultimate was the worst btw!).

One other reason that I think the B201 Saab engines run better on higher-octane fuel is because they produce most of their power in the 3000 to 4000 rpm range.

Regards,

Craig.

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It's more that they're high performance engines designed to produce a lot of power from a small displacement. The cam profile, compression ratio, and ignition timing are optimized for the most power with the least amount of detonation so they'll perform better on higher octane fuel.

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James Sweet

No, my 1987 T8 had APC with the Bosch jetronic, a lambda sensor and a catalytic converter . The APC will allow higher boost with 98 RON, unleaded fuel.

-- MH '72 97 '77 96 '78 95 '79 96 '91 900i 16

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MH

APC was only fitted to Saab 8V 900's with turbo-equipped engines as far as I'm aware. The ones that didn't have turbo's (such as mine) don't have APC. I think APC was a standard part of the equipment for 900's with 16V engines regardless of whether they had a turbo or not, but I'm open to clarification.

Regards,

Craig.

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Craig's Saab C900 Site

APC works by controlling the turbo boost pressure and allowing it to go as high as it can before detonation occurs. Only turbo cars had APC, without the turbo there's nothing for the APC to control.

The other 16v engines do have knock sensors, but it controls the ignition timing only.

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James Sweet

Yes, so your first remark was not specific enough....

-- MH '72 97 '77 96 '78 95 '79 96 '91 900i 16

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MH

Good point - didn't think of that straight off. 8-)

Ah ok thanks for clarifying that James - appreciate your input.

Regards,

Craig.

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Craig's Saab C9000 Site

My '88 900T (16v) was APC equipped. (USA)

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Dave Hinz

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AFAIK, all turbo engines had hardened valve seats from the beginning, I know my 83T does. That means none of the turbos need additives. So you can safely run PULP on pre APC turbos and 92 ULP on any APC models (which IIRC accept anything over 79RON or some such ridiculous figure). I'd still run premium in any non turbo and probably run flashlube or similar if it's a longterm proposition. If you've already planned for a rebuild or disposing of the car within the next two years, then save the extra money! Cheers

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hippo

Ya the reason the dealer told you to use high octane is because he owns a lot of exxon stock.

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PAPAGENE4JACK

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