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Horn malfunction

I need help with a horn malfunction on a 1996 SW1. This car is a base model with only the factory cruise control option. We purchased the car new and it now has 230,000 km. There is no history of electrical problems and the car has not been wet or flooded, the car is not garaged.

The first indication of a problem was the horn sounding while the car was sitting in our driveway after not being started for two days. There was no obvious reason for the horn to sound and it stopped by itself, we did not even think it was our car and only today do we suspect it was our car as there were no other cars nearby. The next day my wife started the car normally and drove about 40 miles before the horn turned on without touching the horn buttons. The cruise control was turned off at the time. She stopped the car and turned the ignition off but the horn continued for a minute or so, she tried to press the horn buttons several times to no result, the horn then ceased by itself. This behavior repeated several times while she drove the car home.

I am a licensed mechanic, and have done the usual trouble shooting. The horn buttons appear undamaged and feel like they are operating properly. I could not find the location of a horn relay. Like most intermittent electrical faults it won' t happen when a mechanic is near. I do not have the real (expensive) Saturn shop manuals and neither the Chiltons or the Haynes manuals have wiring diagrams that show the horn circuit properly. They do seem to indicate that there may be a connection between the horn and cruise circuits but I cannot verify this and I suspect that since they are both mounted on the steering wheel that they both use slip rings in the steering column. I cannot determine if the air bag also uses these slip rings.

I was concerned about the possibility of fire or accidental air bag deployment. In order to reduce the possibility of further damage I have removed the fuses for the horn, the cruise control and the air bags.

When anything hard to diagnose happens in the winter I always suspect that the cause is most likely to be cold or freezing related but am at a loss as to what to do next in order to diagnose the cause of the problem.

If would appreciate anyone's similar experience with problems in the horn or steering wheel.

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My 97 was part of a horn recall campaign (however it never malfunctioned) - you might ask your dealer what years were affected and or have your VIN ready in case they'll run it for you.

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Jonnie Santos

If it's anything like my 98 SC2, there are three lines to the factory horn: Ground, switched-hot, and hot. Presumably the relay is in the horn, because one of those lines goes hot with the switch, and one is ALWAYS hot.

In any event, one rainy night, my horn started going for no reason. Like you, I didn't suspect my car for a short while, then when I realized it, I went down, opened the garage, started the car, drove in, and heard "BEEEEeeeeeeeee...oop", and the horn was dead. Inspection revealed that there was some corrosion that was bridging the always-hot and switched-hot connections.

Instead of replacing it with a factory horn, I got a set of air horns. They get you much more attention when someone is blindly pulling into your lane!

steve

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Steve Wolfe

Thanks for the reply. I wondered why there were three wires to the horn but have not disconected the connector to test. Was the corrosion bridging you speak of located in the wiring connector at the horn or was it internal in the horn?

When you installed the aftermarket horns did you connect a relay to the factory wires using the hot and switched hot wires?

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Hi Johnny.

I must admit that when dealing with my problem, I thought about your misfortune from fire and that is one of the reasons I am being so cautious. Did you ever determine the cause of your fire? I know that steering column fires are not uncommon but hoped that they were mainly in Fords. Since you are still here I assume you replaced your car with another Saturn and wonder what was your choice of replacement. I hope that it is working out ok for you.

I will check the dealer regarding the recall. Thank you.

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My appologies make that

Hi Jonnie

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It's been a few years, but believe that it was on the connector, not internal to the horn.

I used a relay, but ran both ground and hot from closer to the battery with their own fuse, and the switched-hot to trip the relay.

steve

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I don't think Saturns are noted for fires - at least not that I've read. I'm the odd man out. And nothing official on the cause of the fire that was ever shared with me - I've given into thinking it was probably a failed Cat or a stuck open injector that caused the Cat to go super nova and heated surrounding materials until they caught fire. The car was not engulfed, and mostly cabin damage - however the cost of repairs exceeded the car's worth. Of course if I would have called the towing service at the onset of the problem, the car would be here today (probably). Which reminds me that I need to buy a fire extinguisher for my new vehicle (thanks). I'm driving a pickup these days - Saturn doesn't make those... (grin)

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good idea for me too.

I'm driving a

I bet filling up with gas makes you wish you still had a small car. As someone who drove pickups for many years I do not miss the large fuel costs. After owning SW1s for nine years I have found that I can do almost everything with a mini-wagon that I used to think I needed a truck for. I am amazed as to how much stuff will fit inside or on the detachable roof rack (with front bumper post rack for long loads)

I am beginning to see some very reasonable prices for used SW1s and would recommend one to almost anybody as a general purpose vehicle. I would suggest mounting a removable roof rack. At the very least they are a great winter car and the money you save can be used for a really nice sports car for the summer.

Happy trails

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