L Series shop manuals

I had searched a bit and didn't come up with eSI (electronic Service Information?). Also found very little for the L-Series with the exception of a few manuals sold a-la-carte that cumulatively cost more than going to Saturn. Are these eSI discs original GM or third party? I had looked at the Haynes manuals (which have been better than the Chiltons' for the most part) but they don't have one yet for the L-series yet. They said that they are working on one... but that could just be marketing speaking (been there, done that, bought the Tee-shirt). Oppie

Yes, electronic Service Information. service.gm.com is the online link that dealers use.

Well I just went to ebay and typed GM ESI and got 10 items. 8 seem to be the actual GM eSI disk. Prices range from 24-50 dollars. These are either copies of actual GM supplied disk or outdated dealership disk. Not all the shops that pay for GM's service information have computers hooked to the internet, at least not every computer so disk are supplied. That may change in the future though... :(

You might be interested in this link if you dont have it already.

I wish I had known that as I could have hooked you up with my set which is collecting dust on my shelf. They are early versions and probrably have some changes but I have no real use for them anymore.

Thanks for the offer anyway. Reading the manuals can be confusing enough even if it is for the correct year. Working from a manual for another year can be very frustrating. I found that Helm Inc

One car, one cd manual, 300 bucks??? Thats nuts! I dont think they thought to price these in the range of the average consumer.

Yeah, for that price, I figure we should get at least three people to go in on buying a disk and knock off copies. 'course that DOES violate a slew of copyright laws...

Remember when movies first came out on videocassette? A movie ran $80 to $100. At that point, it was well worthwhile to make illegal copies. Now the costs are so low to buy movies on DVD or tape, that it isn't worth the time to make a copy and loose quality (on tape at least). You would think that the same rationale would apply to the shop manuals on disk although they do not have the broad market that movies on DVD enjoy.

Speaking of violating copyrights, I've been lurking on news:alt.binaries.e-book.technical and found all sorts of manuals posted. Most of the posters use a terribly long subject line with some stupid political prefix and the manual name at the end. Helps that I have my monitor set at 1600x1200 resolution so I don't have to scroll too much (I do computer aided design). Most of the manuals are posted in multi-part and have to be re-combined. Most are in PDF or compressed using WinZip or winrar. Some use yenc encoding rather than mime.

Hell the illegal part is what drives prices down IMO. They say it drives the prices up but thats a bunch of bull. If they raised prices anymore they wouldnt sell what little they sell now. If they lowered prices people wouldnt bother making copies... Personaly anything over $10 for a dvd is to much and anything over $5 for a cd is to much. I have very few CD's and when I totaled them up I start wishing I had my money back on them. Places like SharperImage sell 1000 cd holding racks. If someone was a good citizen/RIAA slave/moron they would have $15000 in cd's once its filled up...

Thanks for the link, would of never thought to look there. Yencs not a problem for me. Still though my GM eSI disk got me pretty well covered.