Snow tires on a Saturn???

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I thought I remember guys in snow country talking about using Blizzak's on steel wheels - other than when new, I never ran anything but performance summer tires here in Southern California (currently a chilly 61 degrees).

Good quality all-season radials will do just fine.

Season liberally and lace with garlic cloves by making incisions, and placing whole cloves deep into the meat. Grease a baking pan, and fill with a thick bed of onions, celery, green onions, and parsley. Place roast on top with fat side up. Place uncovered in 500° oven for 20 minutes, reduce oven to 325°. Bake till medium rare (150°) and let roast rest. Pour stock over onions and drippings, carve the meat and place the slices in the au jus.

Bisque à l?Enfant

Honor the memory of Grandma with this dish by utilizing her good silver soup tureen and her great grandchildren (crawfish, crab or lobster will work just as well, however this dish is classically made with crawfish).

Stuffed infant heads, stuffed crawfish heads, stuffed crab or lobster shells; make patties if shell or head is not available (such as with packaged crawfish, crab, or headless baby). Flour oil onions bell peppers garlic salt, pepper, etc.

3 cups chicken stock 2 sticks butter 3 tablespoons oil

First stuff the heads, or make the patties (see index) then fry or bake. Set aside to drain on paper towels. Make a roux with butter

Olive oil butter

Brown the meat and some chopped onions, peppers, and garilic in olive oil, place in baking dish, layer with vegetables seasoning and butter. Bake at 325° for 30 - 45 minutes. Serve with hot dinner rolls, fruit salad and sparkling water.

Bébé Buffet 1

Show off with whole roasted children replete with apples in mouths - and babies? heads stuffed with wild rice. Or keep it simple with a hearty main course such as stew, lasagna, or meat loaf.

Some suggestions

Pre-mie pot pies, beef stew, leg of lamb, stuffed chicken, roast pork spiral ham, Cranberry pineapple salad, sweet potatoes in butter, vegetable platter, tossed salad with tomato and avocado, parsley new potatoes, spinich cucumber salad, fruit salad Bran muffins, dinner rolls, soft breadsticks, rice pilaf, croissants Apple cake with rum sauce, frosted banana nut bread sherbet, home made brownies Iced tea, water, beer, bloody marys, lemonade, coffee

The guests select food, beverages, silverware... everything from the buffet table. They move to wherever they are comfortable, and sit with whoever they choose. Provide trays so your guests will not spill everything all over your house from carrying too much, nor will they have to make 10 trips back and fourth from the service stations.

Roast Leg of Amputee

By al

And real snow tires will do even better.

I've been running Blizzaks on my '94 SC2 in the winter for years (live in WI). Can't imagine how I ever went without them.

Tire Rack has a section where their customers can review tires and post their opinions. I found it very helpful in the past.

Lane [ lane (at) evilplastic.com ]

season well. Place in a large bowl and cool. Add seasoned breadcrumbs and a little of the tomato gravy, enough to make the mixture pliable. Divide the stuffing among the cabbage leaves then roll. Place seam down in a baking pan. Ladle tomato gravy on top, and bake at 325° for 30 - 45 minutes.

Umbilical Cordon Bleu

Nothing is so beautiful as the bond between mother and child, so why not consume it? Children or chicken breasts will work wonderfully also.

4 whole umbilical chords (or baby breasts, or chicken breasts) 4 thin slices of smoked ham, and Gruyere cheese Flour eggwash (milk and eggs) seasoned bread crumbs 1 onion minced salt pepper butter olive oil

Pound the breasts flat (parboil first if using umbilical cords so they won?t be tough). Place a slice of ham and cheese on each, along with some minced onion then fold in half, trimming neatly. Dredge in flour, eggwash, then seasoned breadcrumbs; allow to sit for a few minutes. Sauté in butter and olive oil until golden brown, about 6 minutes on each side.

Shish Kababes

As old as the hills, this technique has employed seafood, beef, pork, lamb, poultry, and vegetables; just about anything can be grilled, and young humans are no exception!

High quality marinade (Teriyaki and garlic perh

nut bread sherbet, home made brownies Iced tea, water, beer, bloody marys, lemonade, coffee

The guests select food, beverages, silverware... everything from the buffet table. They move to wherever they are comfortable, and sit with whoever they choose. Provide trays so your guests will not spill everything all over your house from carrying too much, nor will they have to make 10 trips back and fourth from the service stations.

Roast Leg of Amputee

By all means, substitute lamb or a good beef roast if the haunch it is in any way diseased. But sometimes surgeons make mistakes, and if a healthy young limb is at hand, then don?t hesitate to cook it to perfection!

1 high quality limb, rack, or roast Potatoes, carrot Oil celery onions green onions parsley garlic salt, pepper, etc 2 cups beef stock

Marinate meat (optional, not necessary with better cuts). Season liberally and lace with garlic cloves by making incisions, and placing whole cloves deep into the meat. Greas

I live in Michigan and put a set of Dunlop Graspics on my son's Saturn. He loves them. Cleveland gets tons of snow. If you can afford it, a set of winter tires would go a long way to keeping her safer. I got excellent service from Tirerack. 4 tires and rims mounted and balanced, and delivered to our door for just over $470.

Ken

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Salt pepper soy & teriyaki minced ginger, etc.

1 tablespoon cornstarch dissolved in a little cold water 1 egg beaten

Make the stuffing: Marinate the flesh in a mixture of soy and teriyaki sauces then stir fry in hot oil for till brown - about 1 minute, remove. Stir-fry the vegetables. Put the meat back into the wok and adjust the seasoning. De-glaze with sherry, cooking off the alcohol. Add broth (optional) cook a few more minutes. Add the cornstarch, cook a few minutes till thick, then place the stuffing into a colander and cool; 2 hours Wrap the rolls: Place 3 tablespoons of stuffing in the wrap, roll tightly - corner nearest you first, fold 2 side corners in, wrap till remaining corner is left. Brush with egg, seal, and allow to sit on the seal for a few minutes. Fry the rolls: 325° if using egg roll wraps, 350° for spring roll wraps. Deep fry in peanut oil till crispy golden brown, drain on paper towels.

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My girlfriend had brand new all seasons on her 98 SL1 and on my SL1 I had 2 year old winter tires with 40,000 km on them. She got stuck in her driveway and after another 3 inches of snow I drove out to pick her up. The next day we went to get her some snow tires too. I would most definitely recommend snow tires to anyone who could afford them (maybe even if you couldn't).

That surprises me. I've lived all my life in Minnesota and have never had trouble getting around - especially in a FWD car. My 98 SL2 was fantastic in the snow using the stock radials.

In an urban area like Cleveland, the streets are maintained and there shouldn't be an issue. The most important thing is knowing how to drive on snow and ice. If you don't, it doesn't matter what kind of (legal) tire you buy.

Agreed.

-Pete

trouble getting around - especially in a FWD

shouldn't be an issue. The most important thing is

kind of (legal) tire you buy.

Only thing I know off hand that can drive on ice is a zamboni.

One big advantage for driving in snow is traction control. If you have traction control you shouldnt have to worry about snow tires. You just need tires with decent tread depth.

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which is nothing but a HD GM truck frame with good snow tires. they drive slow enough that it isn't a problem. They drive other cars on the ice inbetween periods for promotions - as long as you keep the speeds to just above a crawl, you're fine on an ice rink.

If you can afford snow tires than I would recommend you to 2 of get them for the front. It can only improve your traction and safety. All season tire tread compound are not the same as snow tire especially under freezing condition. You can quickly loose control on highway without time to react. Sure front wheel drive care is an improvement over rear wheel drive car but front wheel drive car with snow tire is added extra security. All wheel drive vehicle like Subaru even better. Now in Cleveland is much diff. than Canada where our temperature can drop below 0F plus heavy snow, snow-drift over the highway, local roads (except main street) is always covered with snow and ice. Driving with all season tire you will get stuck in just few inches of snow like this poster said.

Does having two radically different tires effect the handling, or safe stopping?

thanks,

tom @

You really should run snow tires on all for wheels due to the difference in handling characteristics. Quite possibly the snow tires will be of a different size than the other tires.

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I have never thought about that but it does make logical sense. You're probably right! I have been doing this for the past 6 to 7 years. I thought being the front heavy as most front wheel driver vehicle are and most of the breaking power (~60%) are in front so stopping distance would improve and I can tell the difference. The fact that back wheel will spin around is logical only when you turn. I agree 4 wheel winter tires are better than 2 and I still think 2 is still better than none base on my winter exposure. I guess having 4 wheel ABS on the car make a difference in controlling the car during braking.