Dear all
This is really weird, I came back from a 14 days vacation and tried to start my car but nothing happened. It worked perfectly before the vacation. I have a Lagacy 2000 automatic gear. The problem is that there is no power at all. I have tried to jump it but nothing happens, it is as there is no connection between the battery and the car - it is just dead.
Anybody experienced something like that? I'll be glad to receive as many comments as possible.
Regards Blum
Edward Hayes skrev:
Yeah it's really dead, no light even in the cabin and it doesn't even give a click when I'm turning the key. Would a crashed battery cause such symptoms? I mean not being able to jump start? I have checked the connections and to my opinion they seems ok (I'm not an expert).
Is this the original battery in the car? Sounds like it's time to replace it. Cheap.
I would imagine that your battery discharged, by itself or a dome light or something left on while you were away.
When the batteries go this dead, connecting the jumper cables will only work after your battery is allowed to charge for some time.
Good luck
blum wrote:
The replies you are getting are really AMAZING. AND WRONG!! One guy imagines the battery discharged itself and you must charge the battery before ANYTHING will happen (WRONG) Another one tells you to replace the battery (Cheap) WRONG!!!!! These "Pep-Boys" backyard mechanics are not well informed.
Have ANY of you read EXACTLY what he asked??? Anyone have some analytical skills????? Read again..."NO POWER AT ALL" even when jumpered from another vehicle.(Its not the battery) Vehicles jumpered WILL start with a stone dead battery when jumped from another car.(With GOOD cables) Checking HIS battery with a voltmeter AT THE TERMINALS will show he has 12 volts.
Mr. Blum..... Check the POSITIVE cables at the battery. There are more than one there. The heavy one is the starter.A lighter cable is the feed to the fuseblocks.Some vehicles will use one heavy cable to the starter solenoid.A lighter cable will join there and head to the connector for a fuselink. There will be a set of nylon connectors that connect a fusible link. Check the connectors and link with a meter. Since the vehicle was sitting for 14 days, it IS possible some rodent chewed things up.I have seen this more than once.The circuit is OPEN between the battery and the fuseblock area.The negative cable is a #4 and it takes a hell of a mouse/rat/squirrel to chew one thru one. Rodents will chew the shit out of underhood wiring! They LOVE rubber sparkplug wires and vinyl is like candy for them. Voltage checks......Measure TO-FROM..... Voltmeter from NEG battery terminal to fender/engine block..should read
0.0Volts Voltmeter from POS battery terminal to NEG terminal..should read 12.6 Volts Voltmeter from POS battery terminal to Fender/Engine block...should read 12.6 Volts OHMmeter from NEG battery terminal to Fender/Engine..should read close to ZERO Ohms.Items NOT causing this problem..DO NOT REPLACE..... Battery Alternator Ignition Switch
Items for the Pep-Boys mechanics Rear mainseal Transmission Muffler Timing Belt ECM box Ashtray (full or not)
NOT always in MY experience.
With GOOD cables you wont have the I/R drop and it will crank. Even if the cables are light, the problem vehicle WILL be able to see the lights cone on, the domelight work, the dash light up, the headlights work....... It's NOT the battery in this case....
Is there anyway that you could have left a light or something on?
I had this same problem with my 2000 Legacy after I left > Dear all
Yes, a dead battery can cause those sympthoms. Sometimes I have found that by disconnecting the dead battery completely and conecting the jumper wires to the wire terminals you get the car back to life. Be careful not to run the engine with this hookup because you could cause damage to your car.
Good luck,
Alex
blum wrote:
To all other posters: Forgive this rant directed only to tirebiter.
Oh tirebiter:
In my experience, people who really know the most, are generally not loud or obnoxious, nor arrogant, most are humble. People with insecurities tend to be loud to compensate and appear as knowledgeable.
If you do not like what other people say, you can always disagree, but your "Amazing" and "Wrong" sure make you sound like you have not had much experience or that you are bitter or even perhaps, a precocious ejaculator.
Do you know what happens inside and old battery? why they lose charge on their own, in such a way that they can lose their charge in a couple of days?
Do you know what the voltage in blum's car battery is?
Do you know what kind of jumper cables he has?
Do you know what his skill level is?
Do you know how old his car's battery is?
Do you know that a dead battery (discharged or short circuited) can cause a major voltage drop in the jumper wires, just as a short circuit would?
Sometimes with great jumper wires, a difficult connection or a rusted terminal will make it impossible to jumpstart.
Remember that you can jumpstart a car, with a partially discharged battery using a small 20Ah hobby battery. This is NOT the case with a fully discharged battery.
If I remember correctly, the simplest is usually the explanation for a problem.
It would be pretty elaborated for your rodent to eat all the wires so NOTHING would work in the car. I have seen rodent problems in cars but something usually works in the car. Not your doomsday scenario in which the rodent ate everything.
Tirebiter, can you really think or you just act on impulse?
How old are you Porgy, 15?
In the unlikely case that you tirebiter are right, it is a shame that the right diagnosis came from you.
So you do not waste your breath replying, you are on ignore.
Porgy Tirebiter wrote:
YES...should be 12.6 Sitting....
Doesnt matter! any wire will be enough to light the domelight.
Nope..thats why trouble shooting info was supplied to HIM.
Once again, DOESNT MATTER. The car would jumpstart or at least light up when jumpered.
HORSE-SHIT! A "Dead" battery is not a short circuit, in fact if fully discharged its an OPEN circuit.
ONCE AGAIN! read that NOTHING even lights up.......
CONGRATS! You got one statement right!
The OP got just that! this is not directed to you!
Doesnt have to eat EVERYTHING! just the fuselink or wire leading to it.ONE wire from the Battery or starter.
FUCK YOU and the 3 legged horse you rode in on! A 15 year old would not know who Porgy Tirebiter even is (YOU DON'T)
That would frost your cake right hahahahaha You Moron! This is for the OP, not you space-cadet.
GOOD SHOW there Maynard!
Blum, can you post when you find your problem? I am really interested in knowing what the cause of your problem was.
Good luck!
blum wrote:
Right.
That's because the donor vehicle, unless it's a wrecker with special starting capabilities, often can't start the dead vehicle AND charge a totally dead battery. As soon as the cables are clipped on, the bad battery draws down the donor juice.
This is why waiting a few minutes with the cables connected will often crank a vehicle that wouldn't crank at all.
I've had a lot of shitboxes over the years, and I live in a cold climate.
tirebiter go away. you are rude and annoying. shouting with "!" will not get you anywhere. goodbye.
Porgy Tirebiter wrote:
oh and two more things:
what is your background and experience in these things? how old are you really?
J> tirebiter go away. you are rude and annoying. shouting with "!" will not
I think his advice is as good or better than many and he did obviously pay attention to what the OP wrote (I may have been trying to look 'past' that) and he has every right to post here. Although he was dismissive and critical of what the rest of us wrote, if the OP can glean a correct diagnosis from ANY of us - that's cool.
And, if someone learned of the name contemporaneously with its popularity,'Porgy Tirebiter' would indicate someone over - say 50 ? years of age minimum. closer to 55 I'd guess.
Carl
In reading Carl's response, I got to read the tirebiter's.
A discharged battery is not an open circuit (unless a defective connection inside the battery), this is the reason why chargers used to revive deep discharged batteries have a current limiting circuit. In the real world, current flowing into a discharged battery goes from the chargers MAX to a few amps (which by the way one of the systems used to check for alternator output: crank the engine for a while after disabling the ignition, and then start it while measuring the current)
Inside an old battery, the solids from the cells break loose from the plates in the cells and become suspended in the electrolyte (water/acid), creating a current path inside the cells. Most of the loose solids deposit at the bottom of the battery and this is why you should not tilt an old battery.
If a battery is really dead, jumping it will not necessarily light anything in the jumped vehicle. Bonehenge and Rebbeca have probably seen this too.
Yes, the voltage in the battery should be around 12 volts, and the world should be a kind place, but is it?
Tirebiter may be old enough to know who porgy tirebiter was, but i am inclined to think that his mental age is still around 15.
One thing I shoulda asked - could the battery have discharged and then been frozen?
whatever
I hope ht eOP gets back on the road
Carl
He jumps to conclusions about unstated information, posts incorrect info as fact, and insults everyone else in the newsgroup... seems like he'll fit right in! :-P
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