Dying for a Chevy Volt, but....

Does CNG work in a diesel engine? Or does it require spark plugs?

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

  1. Lie
  2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
  3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
  4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
  5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
  6. Then everyone must conform to the lie
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Gunner
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Seems straightforward:

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(I'm no expert -never knew of it before tonight)

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AMuzi

It's you who doesn't get it. You keep claiming that building an electric car is trivial. All the world's auto manufacturers, who actually are doing it, don't seem to think so. For example, what part of a big honking battery suitable to power a car being, large, heavy and expensive, don't you get? Yeah, it's just a battery, but so far no one knows how to make one that stores a lot of energy and is cheap. That includes not only the auto makers, but all the battery makers out there.

Also, to try to get mileage that is barely acceptable requires more than a simple motor and battery. Regenerative braking technology being an example. If you don't recover that energy, then the car isn't going to go nearly as far. And then folks have this funny thing about thinking that a car should have A/C, heat, stereo, etc, basicly the standard feature set that you'd find in similar cars today. And for cars that cost $45K, that's a lot of stuff. No one is going to buy a stripped down, barebones car at even 25K, let alone that price. Then there are the govt mandates, like airbags, crash resistant bumpers, etc. ====================================================

Correck me if ahm wrong, but you get alladat in a Nissan Versa for what, $12K???

Seems to me swapping out an IC engine, transmission, starter, efi, etc etc etc, for a fukn electric motor and a few batteries would be more than an even trade, eh? Oh, yeah, and regenerative braking, of course. Which certain types of motors do by themselves, btw, when slowing down.

Not saying people shouldn't be paid for new designs, but ferchrissakes, nearly FOUR times the Versa price??

Funny, no one was complaining about how unsafe the 1974 beetle was.... I suspect they just drove better back then.

How bout a gummint mandate for crawling helmets for toddlers? Are you wearing yours, Trader?? LOL

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Existential Angst

Either one. And a third option: HCCI (homogeneous charge, compression ignition, like a model airplane "diesel"-that-isn't-really-a-diesel.)

It's getting really tough to follow the research on engine fuels these days. They're throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks -- including HCCI natural gas supplemented with direct-injected ethanol. No kidding. It's crazy stuff.

Just look at some of the research paper titles for natural gas:

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(sort by date if you just want the latest)

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Ed Huntress

So this is a Hollywood special effects piece?

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Say...isnt the internal combustion engine somewhere around 28% effecient?

The methodology of the left has always been:

  1. Lie
  2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
  3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
  4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
  5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
  6. Then everyone must conform to the lie
Reply to
Gunner

Go on... (Is that you, harry?)

The only places worse are IL and CA.

Reply to
krw

Who would want them?

Reply to
krw

Thats propane injection,..to be used in conjunction with liquid fuels, or did I read it wrong?

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

  1. Lie
  2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
  3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
  4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
  5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
  6. Then everyone must conform to the lie
Reply to
Gunner

Check out this page on diesel engines running on NG. ^_^

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TDD

Reply to
The Daring Dufas

The fact that none of them are being built today should give you your answer. They just can't cut it.

Steam is just not an answer, Gunner, no matter how much you may like it.

Not the latest ones. We're headed for 40% as a typical number within a few years. Some cars surpass it now.

Reply to
Ed Huntress

No one. That's why they are on a tiny island. Like Alcatraz.

Reply to
Michael A. Terrell

About forty years. The maintenance work on steam plant and other large electricity generating plant takes many days, sometimes weeks. It takes days for steam plant to cool down before you even start.

Reply to
harry

Don't see you in Panama or the Philipines. Be out of Hawaii soon I expect.

Reply to
harry

Only part of it. So they can charge more for electricity at peak times. Lots more. So inducing people not to use electricity at that time.

Reply to
harry

The "complications" are necessary to get even the range from them we have now. The AC motor/generator is over 90% efficient (they claim) which is some achievement,

Reply to
harry

Today's Yanks get whipped by any gook anywhere.

They now get schoolboy videogame nuts to do all their killing. I hear they are giving out medals now for killing someone by remote control on the other side of the world. Heh Heh. Does working the joystick on the video game strengthen limp wrists?

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harry

Tch. That was a 19th century British invention. Long before Doble.

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harry

"With the need to replace an old 6 MW diesel engine operating on HFO, the company decided to go for a Wärtsilä dual-fuel engine 32 DF, with an output of 6 MW, that would run on 99% natural gas and 1% light fuel oil."

The methodology of the left has always been:

  1. Lie
  2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
  3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
  4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
  5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
  6. Then everyone must conform to the lie
Reply to
Gunner

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Why? Just because you say so? The free market prices around the world for actually doing it, particularly for key items like that battery, say you're wrong. Either all the same manufacturers that are churning out other cars at competitive prices are in on some grand conspiracy, or, as usual, you're just talking about things you don't understand.

 Oh, yeah, and regenerative braking, of course.  Which

First you made an ass of yourself with your dumb assertions about the cost per mile to charge an electric car versus gas. Crap you just made up, instead of taking 5 mins to find out the facts, which are widely available for many sources that HAVE ACTUALLY TESTED THE CARS. Now you've switched to this nonsense. You have no expertise in battery technology, cost, or apparently much of anything else.

The world has changed since then. The 1974 beetle would not meet federal crash resistant bumper standards, air bag standards, etc. As have customer expectations for what they want in a car today.

I suspect at some point you didn't wear a helmet. It's one explanation of why you keep making a complete ass of yourself. You see anyone here agreeing with you?

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trader4

-That was a 19th century British invention. Long before Doble.

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It's a freakin windmill that the ancient Greeks had. The modern idea was French:
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"Le terme mme de turbine avait t cr par l'ingnieur des mines Burdin, professeur l' cole de Saint-tienne." in 1822

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Jim Wilkins

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