Observation on Crown Vic brake pads

I just found this really odd... spent yesterday impersonating a professional mechanic as my friend owns a shop and his best tech was on vacation, and Saturday is when they (obviously) do most of their business, and he didn't want to have to turn away customers for lack of a competent tech.

Aside from discovering that I'm not cut out to work on cars all day every day (I knew this, this is not news - I work on cars because I like driving nice cars, not because I enjoy the work itself) one of the jobs I was set to doing was front brakes on a Grand Marquis - which is a car that I actually really like. It's an old man's car, but a really nice, competent one. Ford screwed up and made a decent car for once (and then discontinued it, but I digress.) If I found an old detective's Vicky (with the HD suspension, charging, and cooling options) that wasn't thrashed to shit, I might be tempted to pick it up.

So this GM shows up, I get it racked and give it a quick once-over, and it appears to be very well maintained and in overall good shape with only a few issues. The owner brought it in for new front brakes and it needed both pads and rotors as one of the pads had gone full metal to metal. Here's the annoying thing - there were no "squeaker" tabs on either the old pads (which is why she didn't bring it in while the rotors could still be saved) or on the new ones (Centric Premium Ceramic IIRC), but there were no brake pad wear sensors either. WHY...? Doesn't seem to be Centric's issue as the same exact brand/model pads for another vehicle that I also changed yesterday. Seems like a dumb decision on Ford's part not to specify a squeaker tab on the brake pads, would only add a few cents to the cost but would give owners/drivers a little warning that it was time to change the pads. I find it doubly confusing as this chassis seems to be a favorite of fleets (police, taxi, etc.)

nate

Reply to
Nate Nagel
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Good question. I noticed the lack of tabs on my son's new 2005 Stratus pads and my new 2006 Kia Spectra pads.

Reply to
Paul in Houston TX

Virtually every set of brakes I've done in the past year lacked squealers. If the old ones have them and the new pads have the tabs/pins I've removed the squealer and installed it on the new ones.

Didn't matter the source or maker of the part or if it was a low or high dollar item either.

I think it is due to the current trend of replacing the rotors at every pad change just to prevent comebacks and liability issues.

Reply to
Steve W.

maybe the car being designed for fleet work, is the answer. A proper fleet is repeatedly inspected by techs; and the drivers would all ignore any squeaking anyway.

GW

Reply to
Geoff Welsh

Nate, it wasn't just canceled for giggles. The 'vic was made from the late 1970s to just a couple years ago when it finally fell victim to government regulation and old age. There was no reason to ever design a replacement since impending regulation that could kill it and any car like it had been hovering over it since 1985. All but the panther platform died between 1984 and 1996.

Because that's just the way it is. Sometimes no apparent reason other than to save a few pennies, sometimes there's no place for it.

For a decently run fleet people check the pads or just replace them on a regular basis. A typical neglected taxi the drivers would just ignore the sqeakers.

For the panther specifically, looking at the diagram on fordparts.com for a 2010 CV, I can't say why there isn't a squeaker other than possible space issues and it's likely the product of 40 years of design changes to fit the same basic car.

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Brent

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