Re: FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!! . . . .

"ChrisCoaster" wrote: I'm looking into this for the PS on my 2008 Optima:

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You'd think SOMEONE here at would have recommended it! _____________________________________________________________ Can you disclose the nature of the product you are promoting? My computer won't let me open spam links. Thank you.

Rodan.

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A MODEL of the type of nattering nabob of negativity one would expect in reaction to what I posted. Rodan: Go back under the rock you crawled out from and take your square wheels with you!

No further replies are necessary here - I'm going for it. "rec.autos.tech" my ASS!

-CC

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ChrisCoaster

Heidt's is a pretty old name in terms of hot rod suspension parts... at least they were around when I was still in high school.

nate

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Nate Nagel

I'm looking into this for the PS on my 2008 Optima:

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You'd think SOMEONE here at would have recommended it! ChrisCoaster. _______________________________________________________________________ Can you disclose the nature of the product you are promoting? My computer won't let me open spam links. Thank you. Rodan. _______________________________________________________________________

See? "rec.autos.tech" my ASS! A MODEL of the type of nattering nabob of negativity one would expect in reaction to what I posted. Go back under the rock you crawled out from and take your square wheels with you! No further replies are necessary here - I'm going for it. ChrisCoaster. _______________________________________________________________________

Heidt's is a pretty old name in terms of hot rod suspension parts... at least they were around when I was still in high school. Nate. _______________________________________________________________________

Yes, and it is still well known today. Coaster's mysterious message hyped a link (with exclamation mark), without revealing the product he was promoting at that link. It's a standard technique for SPAM advertisers. Perhaps he sincerely intended to impart some knowledge and innocently thought it would be funny to be enigmatic about it. But after seeing his last profane, name-calling, hate-laden message I don't think "funny" is the right word for his newsgroup conduct. I hope he found whatever he needed for his Optima PS.

Best regards to all RATs,

Rodan.

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Rodan

Power steering, power brakes, power windows, airconditioning, power everything,,,, Wasen't that stuff invented for the sissies? cuhulin

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cuhulin

__________________ Rodie, perhaps I should have provided some context to my original post. Not unlike Fibber McGee, I have been pursuing the goal of

*somehow* obtaining a tighter steering feel on my otherwise pleasantly driveable 2008 Kia Optima 4cyl sedan. This is Korea's definite threat to the likes of the Camry, Accord, and the Malibu, of which my 2005's steering felt like I was turning the wheels with the car on a lift - the electric steering was that over-boosted! There must be a method of decreasing the car's power-steering assist or modifying the suspension or both to let more of this driveability shine through.

Any who, I point you to:

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I didn't mean to flame you, Rodan, it's just that my pursuit, at least on RAT, has been met with a chorus of "can't do's" and "won't work's" more in tune than the Christmass carolers at St. Patricks! I'm just tired of the negativity and am willing to go out on a limb here for the sake of more road-feel handling.

Now that I explained my goals, I would gladly help you recover from your burns and hope to make amends.

Sincerely,

McGee(ChrisCoaster) :P

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ChrisCoaster

snipped-for-privacy@webtv.net wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net:

You forgot the first and worst one: automatic transmission.

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fred

Rodie, perhaps I should have provided some context to my original post. Not unlike Fibber McGee, I have been pursuing the goal of

*somehow* obtaining a tighter steering feel on my otherwise pleasantly driveable 2008 Kia Optima 4cyl sedan. This is Korea's definite threat to the likes of the Camry, Accord, and the Malibu, of which my 2005's steering felt like I was turning the wheels with the car on a lift - the electric steering was that over-boosted! There must be a method of decreasing the car's power-steering assist or modifying the suspension or both to let more of this driveability shine through.

Any who, I point you to:

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I didn't mean to flame you, Rodan, it's just that my pursuit, at least on RAT, has been met with a chorus of "can't do's" and "won't work's" more in tune than the Christmass carolers at St. Patricks! I'm just tired of the negativity and am willing to go out on a limb here for the sake of more road-feel handling.

Now that I explained my goals, I would gladly help you recover from your burns and hope to make amends.

Sincerely, McGee(ChrisCoaster) :P _________________________________________________________________________

That's great with me, McGee. I admire a person who persists in the face of negativity to get something done. Here on RAT I usually get genuinely helpful advice when I ask for help. It's discouraging to get a barb when I admit my ignorance, but the tremendous savings in money and effort from the advice I get here more than make up for it.

I hope you find the solution for the hyperactive steering. I don't know anything about power steering pumps. I would probably try to rig up a shock absorber between the linkage and the frame and avoid dealing with the pumping system altogether.

Thanks for the kind words. Best regards and good luck.

Rodan.

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Rodan

_____________________ I wouldn't say hyperactive so much, Rodan, but PS in general makes it too easy(for me anyways) to move the steering-wheel in any car. "Soft" would be a better term. The Kia is definitely not hyper or twitchy, just SOFT, like any other car with too much PS. There should be some resistance side-2-side, and I think the majority of cars would actually be very good handlers if mfgs put the MONAIGH!!! into incorporating variable assist into more of their vehicles. Variable assist works - both in hydraulic, electro-hydraulic, and pure electric PS systems. Mfgs just have to learn that there is really no need for that much assist over 10 - 20mph, depending upon the weight of the intended application.

Consumer Guide and Consumer Reports doesn't analyze alignment, suspension type, or how much PS assist is applied per pound of vehicle being moved/steered(!) Their drivers get in the cars, buckle up, and drive the things - both on closed circuits and the real world. And on a scale of 1-10, a lot of 7s or 8s get a grade of 5 or 6 for steering/handling, very likely because of too much assist. Sad!

We techies do analyze! And I happen to know a thing or two about the main alignment parameters. Where I guess I fell flat here, Rodan, is that I don't really know $hit about INDIVIDUAL power steering systems. Sure, there are two main classifications: hydro and electric. But some mfgs spend billions just to over-complicate it proprietarily. :D Not all PSs are straight forward. Some mfgs use mechanical or electrical means to dampen or center the steering wheel after a turn. Putting that Heidt's valve on a system like that might actually be dangerous.

That's why I've been taking shots in the dark on here as to what would be the best method to "stiffen up" my steering. I know it can be done, and it will be. I just need the right application and the right shop to make it happen with my specific vehicle.

-CC

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ChrisCoaster

yes, except for A/C. Necessity if you live south of the Mason-Dixon line.

Also, rear wipers, rear defrost, and heated mirrors are little gadgets that are hard to live without once you've had them...

nate

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N8N

_________________ LOL! And multi-tier spoilers that need zoning approval before they can be installed on the decklid. :D

-CC

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ChrisCoaster

_____________________ Do I have to spoon feed you? DO some RESEARCH! hear, I'll freakin cut it up with a fork and knife and spoon-feed it to ya:

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Read specifically on the left, in bold regarding the effects of this valve at parking speeds.

You are displaying the exact same type of NEGATIVITY I referenced in my original post here, regarding the subject of toning down power steering.

"It can't be done", "It won't work", "you won't like it"...NEGATIVE, NEGATIVE.

JUST

SHUT

UP!!!!

If you - or anyone else - has nothing new or positive to suggest or contribute - stay off my F$(KING THREAD!! Lurk all you want, read it till your eyes fall out, but stay the F*@$K A-WAY!!!!!!!!!!

I'm going for it. If the Heidt's valve doesn't perform as intended, I'll have it removed and the power-steering piping restored. End of frickin' story!

Good day!

-CC

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ChrisCoaster

well, try it and let us know. Obviously none of us were aware such a gadget even was on the market (I wasn't) so we're certainly not going to be able to tell you whether it'll give you the results you desire or not. best we can do is guess.

That said, if I understand the principle of how it works correctly, it

*will* limit steering assist, so you *will* notice an increase in effort at parking speed. You'll have to decide for yourself if you can accept that or not.

I also would NOT under any circumstances try to install such a gizmo on any car that has any kind of speed sensitive or electronically regulated PS system, because who knows what the heck that'll do to it. Now whether your car is one of those vehicles, I dunno.

nate

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Nate Nagel

__________________ I'm not the average American driver(read: WUSS). I think I can man- handle anything on four wheels in close quarters quite well, thank you. If "easy to park" means driving the thing will feel like I'm turning the wheels while 5 feet up on a rack, spare me. __________________

__________________ We're talking a KIA here, Nate, not a Lincoln, Infiniti, or other such

50-grand plus ride that will very likely have VPS(variable power steering). Quality on the ultra cheap. That's Hyundai Motor Corp. Heck, you have to pay extra for ABS or ESC. But what you get on the car works, and works well(except for the AM section of their car stereos!). ;)

-CC

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ChrisCoaster

There's degrees.... I've parallel parked a '67 Dart with manual steering and some stupid 13" or less wood rimmed steering wheel (that got shitcanned as soon as I found a stock one in a junkyard) but I can't say that I'd choose to do that every day.

I did, however, drive a VW Scirocco every day with a similar sized Momo wheel, and found it quite pleasant. The girlie whined about it a little, but not enough to stop driving it :) (was way more fun to drive than the car she had at the time. The same is true today, but 944s didn't have a manual steering option except for the first few years.)

nate

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Nate Nagel

Jerk. Ingrate.

I tried *througout* the previous discussions to explain my reasoning and to try to help you avoid wasting time and effort on things that didn't make sense from an engineering perspective. That is NOT being "negative," its being HONEST. You sound like these artsy-fartsy feather-headed types that think anything is possible if you just dream enough positive energy. Well SCREW THAT, it isn't how the world works. If you want something, get your hands dirty and DO IT. I never said or implied that its impossible to make power steering work more the way you want it... but it IS likely to be impossible WITHOUT going inside the steering rack and altering the constants in the analog control system. Tacking on something external is very likely to be less-than-ideal.

Yes, I READ the link. Its bullshit, and do you know WHY its bullshit? Because every power steering pump ALREADY has this function built into it. Your power steering pump ALREADY maintains a near-constant pressure independent of RPM. All you are doing is changing the set-point, which will affect low and high speed operation equally. It WILL increase effort at low speed. The change you want IS NOT IN THE PRESSURE of the fluid, it is IN THE RESPONSE OF THE CONTROL VALVES TO STEERING WHEEL TORQUE.

I say again: if I'm wrong and you do like it, TELL US. But after the tantrum above, frankly I don't think you've got the gonads to admit it if it turns out you don't like it.

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Steve

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_____________________ If you read what I wrote above, I stated that I would have it removed and the plumbing restored. And I would report the results of it's installation on my car's performance either way.

IOW, I would give it a TRY - which is more than I can say for you - a name-calling coward who wouldn't have the guts to step out of his own shadow given 1/10th of a chance, let alone try to improve a performance factor of his vehicle!

-CC

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ChrisCoaster

To be fair, most people buying Kias aren't looking for exemplary road manners. They're looking for something to haul their butt to work and back for the lowest price possible.

And for the record, I do in fact have in my possession a Saginaw manual steering box from a '54 Champion coupe for possible future installation in my '55 Commander, because I don't particularly like the P/S in that car. It works well, as far as P/S systems go, but the gawdawful weight of that rig is almost unbelievable, and it seems somewhat unnecessary (having driven a '62 Lark with manual steering previously.)

nate

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Nate Nagel

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The '08 Optima so far has been a diamond in the rough, handling wise! :) The "rough" being the power steering issue, of course. Once the ps assist is decreased - by whatever means!!! - the steering wheel won't be so easy to be moved from center. It already returns quickly from turns, now it just needs to go the extra mile.

-CC

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ChrisCoaster

If you'd actually been reading this forum for the 15+ years I've participated here, you'd know just how wrong you are.

The difference is I don't "try to improve a performance factor" of my vehicle by wishful thinking that a part intended to match a pump to a steering rack in a hot-rod application will work to scale steering effort as a function of speed. If you'd actually read their website, you'd have noticed that was the intended application, not what you're trying to do. Have you ever torn into a power steering gear to change the reaction springs? I HAVE.

Good day.

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Steve

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