Re: Toyota struggles to stop runaway crisis

john wrote:

>> "Remarkable doesn't begin to describe what's happening to Toyota Motor >> Corp. >> >> Its reputation for delivering safe, reliable, quality-engineered >> vehicles is in tatters. > >Actually it isn't. I was listening to an interview today on NPR with an >automotive safety expert. The Toyota recall for accelerator pedals is >only the 5th largest recall, and unlike bigger recalls for other >manufacturers (Ford and GM) it's going to be solved much more quickly. >Ford has the honor of the biggest recall in history. > >What's helping Toyota's reputation is their quick action to fix the >problems. Dealers are staying open 24/7 to fix customer's cars. > >All the experts agree that the damage to Toyota's reputation all depends >on how quickly they fix customer's cars and how they treat the customers >during the repair procedure. I don't know if it's the dealers >themselves, or corporate Toyota that's paying for the perks that dealer >are offering, but it's very reassuring to the owners. Most people are >pretty reasonable when it comes to recalls. Tell them about the problem, >fix it without a hassle, and they're happy. It's pretty rare for _any_ >car to not have at least a couple of recalls with the increasing >complexity of vehicles.

That last sentence is a hoot. When a GM, Ford, or Chrysler had a recall the "I love Toyota" crowd were all over them, there was no "It's pretty rare for _any_ car to not have at least a couple of recalls with the increasing complexity of vehicles." Now that it's Toyota getting a black eye suddenly a recall is no big deal. And similarly, even though Toyota has known about this problem for years, the Toyota loyalists are claiming how "up front" T is and how "quickly" they are addressing it.... my ass.

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Ashton Crusher
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wow, nice post. best post links to your sources though.

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jim beam

Ford murdered a bunch of its customers by not recalling exploding Ford Pintos even though they knew about them, because on the accounting books it looked cheaper to absorb the cost of the burn lawsuits than to do a recall. Nice.

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John Kester

Why, you're absolutely correct:

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Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B

At least Nippon Denso does.

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Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B

That is completely false. The only "accounting" was in response to a request by the gvt and using gvt supplied dollar figures. The pintos were no more prone to exploding then any other car of the day. If Ford is guilty murdering their customers then so are ALL the other car markers of the time.

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Ashton Crusher

Bullshit. Despite what you'd like to think, customers weren't torching their pintos. The fires were due to fuel tank's location and the tendancy for the filler to rip out leaving a gaping hole.

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AZ Nomad

YABUT!

How could you even forget about the Ford recall for transmissions? They talked it to death almost as much as the currect Toyota recall.

However, 'talked to death' is not a good phrase to use. Hundreds were killed and thousands injured thanks to Ford NOT fixing the transmissions, but issuing a sticker for the dash instead.

You want to make such a big deal about the Toyota recall. So far, I don't think anyone has died yet from the sticking pedal, and Toyota is fixing the problem.

Ford did nothing.

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Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B

Ford's are cool. And we're not talking about the Ford Motor Co that got out of a recall by issuing dash stickers.

They've had their issues (can you say, "First gen Focus"?) but all in all Ford makes a decent car.

I have had a few Chryslers that were good, too.

But Toyota is my favorite because they are easy to maintain and drive for a long, long time.

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Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B

You are tragically misinformed. There is a reason that this particular case is discussed in every Business Ethics college textbook written in the last 30 years. Ford was aware that rear-impact collisions could ignite the gas tank, and there are written and recorded meetings where they determined a re-design was too expensive, and there are documents showing quantitative analysis of cost of lawsuits versus redesign. Know what you're talking about before you dispute such well documented facts, at least do a little research before spouting off and making a fool of yourself.

Whether or not Ford has done something quite so evil since, I doubt it.. the publicity around that one was quite high.

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John Kester

there was nothing inherently dangerous about the pinto. It was statistically just as safe as any other average car on the road. ANY car can be made safer, that's a meaningless yardstick to apply. You can CHOOSE to believe whatever you want.

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Ashton Crusher

2500 accidents, 12 deaths, or something like that.
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Ashton Crusher

No that is not at all true. It was according to NHTSA no more dangerous than other cars in the same class. It was (also according to NHTSA) considerably more dangerous than the average car on the road. It has been estimated that

500 people were burned to death that would not have died if they had been in an an average car when the accident occurred. The average car on the road at that time was a tank and the occupants rarely suffered any injuries at all when another car plowed into the rear at 35 miles an hour.

The problem was that Detroit designed and built compact cars not with the goal of creating an enduring market for compact cars, but with an eye to destroying the market for small cars. As a result of this philosophy there was about a 20 year period where the compact cars Detroit built were just one disaster after another.

-jim

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jim

No, it has to do with "US content". The more US parts, the more they could say was US content. I think foreign manufacturers get tax breaks if they use US parts, so the more parts, the more the incentive. I'm not sure about that, but I believe it works that way.

They also avoid any tariffs imposed by the amount of Domestic content.

All I can say...glad I bought a Scion. They're ALL made in Japan...

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Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B

Everything I have said is a fact that can be substantiated by you or anyone else. You are the one who is uninformed about the Pinto situation and has chosen your own belief over the truth.

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John Kester

Not at all. But Toyota is fixing the problem. Wonder if they could have gotten away with printing 2.3 million stickers...

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Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B

In message , Ashton Crusher writes

Despite the total recall of 8 Toyota models throughout Europe there have only be four accidents sighted and no deaths, and Europe is much denser in population that any part of America that I've ever been to.

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Clive

My *OPINION* ?!?!?!?!

Wow.

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Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B

Taking Joe's place, are we?

Even Ford admitted the transmissions could jump out of park at any time.

The 'recalled' the cars by issuing stickers. Wow.

I think it was THE BIGGEST and the most dangerous recall of all time, and it was 'fixed' with a sticker for the dashboard.

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Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B

There's a big difference between cars that can't be controlled while you are driving them and cars that pop out of park. The Ford transmission problem was no more dangerous then all the cars that were produced for YEARS with automatic transmissions that didn't even have a PARK position but required you to put the emergency brake on.

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Ashton Crusher

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