What did Toyota know, and when did they know it?

Toyoda Testimony: As automaker grew, safety suffered.

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Sure. every time I someone tells me I should have bought American. No problem. I guess you read all 15 times, eh? Good for you. You're not as stupid as you've been coming across.

Likewise, I'm sure, buckethead. You sure don't have a lot to say, but just keep on pounding the keys.

The best you can do is point out what a 'putz" I am? And how superiorily gifted you are? You have not yet said ONE thing to either add or detract from the original post except to point my 'weaknesses' out to me, and didn't even catch the joke in the original post without having to have it explained to you.

Yeah, asshat, motormouth indeed.

You have no point whatsoever, except the sharp one at the top of your head, Zippy.

Cooper is right on the mark here. You people DO seem to have tin foil hats on when it comes to this issue.

Yeah, the "high mileage" on Toyota's crap... Way back when I had my

69 Firebird 400 I rolled up 125,000 miles on it with only two significant repairs from the time it was new, an AC hose had to be replaced, and the timing chain needed replacement. It still had the original disks on it when I sold it, never burned a drop of oil, transmission still shifted like new in spite of MANY MANY full throttle redline shift.

It's nothing like that. Or will you claim that if two people go to dinner and one orders clams and the other gets a ham sandwich that if the guy who ordered the clams gets sick the guy will the ham sandwich will also have to go to the doctor???

That's why

Chrysler was abused by MB. If problems developed they were due solely to MB own actions.

so what's this, the 16th time you've posted the same drivel?

In message , Ashton Crusher writes

You've got the gall to criticize Toyota owners, have you ever heard of a biblical quotation sat say's "remove the plank from your own eye before condemning some with a speck in theirs"?

Damn right. Two brand new junk GM products in the family was enough for me. Except the 1964 Nova, bought used with about 150,000 miles on it, and went another 100,000 miles. If GM wanted to clean up, they'd dust off this set of blueprints and get to work.

Pile on top of that 14 excellent Toyotas. That's because no one in the family would touch another GM with a 10 foot pole.

Even one cousin, a die-hard GM owner got fed up and bought a RAV-4. Got sick of weekly trips to the dealer.

I'm sorry? Up your WHAT, you say?

There's an interesting publication called the Wall Street Journal. It's available to you, I'm sure, but at last check it cost $1.50. You'd have to learn to read better, first. There's a LOT of big words in there.

If you could, you'd find that Diamler's troubles didn't start until into their affiliation with Chrysler, and that they shed Chrysler just as much for that reason as they did for losing money.

A closer look into Asshton's head?

I think you're giving Kelso way too much credit. 3d grade? I could read a lot better than that in 3d grade. . . .

Charles Grozny

Well maybe German cars hold up better in Europe than in the US. But, I've had to many negative experiencs with the eletrical bits of German cars sold in the US to think that Bosch makes everything perfect. I survived 3 VWs, an Audi, a German built Fiesta, and a BMW. All had electrical bits that failed....and failed again...and again. Power windows, alternators, the stupid tail light assembles (who can't build tail light bulb holders that work for 20 years - I tell you who, the Germans!). Maybe the Italians and British do worse - I don't know, we haven't gotten significant numbers of cars from those countries in years.

Here is my partially remembered list of electrical failures:

Fiesta (German built)- alternator - Bosch, but at least the brushes were easy to repalce....and repalce again. Nothing else electrical on the car that could fail. Audi - cooling fan relay (and I only kept the car 3 years) VW Jetta (German built) - in tank fuel pump - twice, alternator once, all the power windows, fuse box melted VW Passat (German built) -alternator, all the power windows, sunroof motor, instruments went flaky, burned out tail lights constantly VW Jetta (Built in Mexico?) - dash would suddenly stop working and then start again as mysteriously, underhood fuse block melted, taillights burned out constantly, alternator failed, second fuse block showed burned marks, got rid of the car BMW 740 (GErman built) - what didn't go wrong with the electronics - CD Player died, both tailight assemblies had to be replaced becasue the contacts burned up, power windows failed, power seat failed, so many things I can't remeber them all......This car was an absolute money pit.

Only the BMW was purchased used (with less than 80k miles). All the others were purchased new.

I like German cars. Thye usually fit me well, are comfortable, drive well, and look great. But I don't think they are as reliable as American or Japanese built cars. If I had plenty of excess cash, I'd probably buy a Mercedes, but I don't think I'd expect the sort of reliability you get from a Camry and I don't have plenty of cash.

Ed

In message , C. E. White writes

You're right they're not as reliable as Japanese cars, but nothing is as unreliable (India and China excepted) as an American car.

Don't be too sure this time...!

Glad to:

1974 Toyota Corolla, 70,000 miles 1972 Toyota Corona MKII, 35,000 miles 1973 Volvo 1800ES 45,000 miles 1972 Corona 42,000 miles 1978 Toyota Corolla, 58,000 miles 1980 Toyota Corolla 244,000 miles 1985 Toyota Corolla GTS 258,000 miles 1985 Toyota truck 32,000 miles 1985 Toyota Celica 32,000 miles 1987 Toyota Corolla 48,000 miles 1988 Honda Accord 62,000 miles 1994 Plymouth Grand Voyager 25,000 miles 1994 Plymouth Grand Voyager 12,000 miles 1994 Chrysler LHS 44,000 miles

Total 975,000 miles. I'm sure I left a couple out, but it's close enough to a million to call it. If you add the 14,000 I've put on my Scion, and the 22,000 I put on my Subaru, I'm sure we're there.

And I bet the only think you've ever wrenched is an ankle. Dickhead.

Dismiss this idiot. He's just another Know-it-all who doesn't know his ass from a donkey.

Nice list, but I am sure my parent could add to a lot more miles than that driving Fords. Heck, I can beat that just adding up the miles I've drivin in Fords sine 1972 (when I bought my first car) and I have significant periods of driving vehciels from other manufacturers...

Let me think (miles orunded off to the nearest 10 thousands):

*1972 Pinto - 110,000 (but 30,000k were done by a Sister - I gave her the car, she drove it for three years, then gave it back) *1973 Pinto - 100,000 (but I only did 10,000 of them - it was another Sisters car, that I bought after wrecking my Jensen-Healey. I drove it for about 4 months while I was rebuilding the J-H) *1978 Ford Courier - 80,000 miles (but I only drove it about 10,000 miles, my Father gave it to me when he got a new farm truck. I hated it). *1978 Fairmont - 32,000 miles (I hated the car, but it was reliable) *1978 Ford Fiesta - 140,000 miles (but I only did 70,000 - I biught it from a sister to use as a comuter car) *1986 Mercury Sable - 143,000 (all mine) *1986 Ford Ranger (90,000 mile, but I only drove it about 30,000 miles - it was totalled in an accident. My Father gave it to me when he got a new farm truck) *1989 Ford Taurus Wagon - 10,000+ - the ex-wife got it beforre I drove it much *1992 F150 - 110,000 (all mine) *1996 Ford Explorer - 32,000 (al mine, but I didn't really liek the vehicle) *1997 Ford Expedition - 149,000 *2001 Ford Mustang GT- 40,0000 (got rid of it before my son turned 16) *2003 Ford Expedition - 100,000 (got rid of it when my kids stopped riding with me) *2004 Ford Thunderbird - 32,000 (I loved the car, but it was impractical) *2001 Mercury Grand Marquis (100,000 miles, but onloy 10,00 were mine - it was my Mom's car and I drove it for a while after she got a new car - I hated it) *2007 Ford Fusion - 64,000 and counting *2009 F150 - 34,000 and counting

That is around 1,056,000 miles in Fords driven by me that I owned for at least part of theierexistence. I probably drove Ford's owned by my parents at least another 30,000 miles. I probably did another 300,000 miles in a combination of US and foreign vehciles (Datsun, Nissans, Toyota, Mazda, various British cars, Saturn, Plymouth, etc.). In all those miles in Fords, I only ever had one major problem - the 19789 Fairmont was delivered with a severe water leak that the dealer could not fix. I finally fixed it myself. I hated the car (only car I ever owned with a vinyl roof). I am not sure what possesed me to buy it. As soon as I could afford to dump it, I did.

Ed

1980 Merc Zephyr, same car as the Fairmont...three transmissions, all on Ford, thank you, and when it started hesitating my Mom almost got caught in an intersection getting t-boned and said, "That's it" and from then on there wasn't another Domestic product in our family until I got the Chryslers.

Oh, and I forgot...37,000 greuling miles in a Jetta.

In all cases, all miles driven were by me, even though others drove some of them.

Quite impressive...how did YOU rack up all those miles?!?! Mile were from50+ mile treks to work, Canada a few times (a LOT) and just general I feel like going for a cruise today...

I was averaging 35-40,000 miles a year for a LONG time!