2000 Avalon - SLUDGE Story

Actually, most of the technicians, service advisors, and service managers were aware of most, if not all, of the relevant TSB's. My co-workers and I remembered most of them back 10 years or so.

The indexes are periodic but one that is more than a year old would definitely be listed in the indexes. Your average consumer probably could not remember them, however, people in the profession should have no problem remembering them.

You obviously have not reviewed many actual TSB's. They are referenced by vehicle series, production dates, and conditions. For example, the one the the OP is referring to would mention "excessive oil consumption," not by updated valve cover.

Searching TSB's is very easy for a pro because they are indexed by series. Even if you had no idea what the condition is, can just review every TSB issued for a 2000 Avalon. For any particular model and year, there are only a couple of dozen TSB's at the most, including the new vehicle specs and paint codes issued every year.

Dealers have info that is not available to the general public, and like I said, they are professionals whose business it is to remember. The subject is enough to tell someone who has read and understands the TSB to know which one to refer to.

More commonly, they are missing a few volumes or issues here and there or they have not filed them in an orderly manner so that a tech can easily find the right one. If a tech has to spend 10 or 15 minutes looking for what he needs, he'll pass and take a shot in the dark.

All manaufacturers know what their average warranty expense per new vehicle sold is. By looking at warranty flat rate hours and parts replaced, they can tell which dealers are incurring higher expenses than average. Toyota does not get concerned about an occasional month with high expenses at a dealership but an ongoing trend of high expenses could mean that they have a lot of visiting owners, they have problems repairing vehicles properly so it takes several attempts, or they are filing fraudulent claims.

Manufacturers will not pay a dealer for a warranty repair if they did it before but they will pay a different dealer for the claim. The problem is, if a car is making a noise and the dealer replaces a part, and if the part didn't cure the noise and they replace a different part on a different repair attempt, then the warranty system doesn't look at it as a comeback repair. This hit and miss repair method does drive up warranty expenses so they would be caught in a warranty review.

No, but vehicles are bugged for tech classes and technician trouble-shooting competitions.

For the same reasons you put the seat back down when your done urinating ... political pressure.

Oh GAWD yes. BMW classes were all about such "rigged" cars ... but like you say, only in the tech classes.

Some of the techs thought they were funny and after they fixed the bugs that the instructor put in the car, they would add some more of their own. In our office, the instructors had to use their own company cars for class, and the techs knew this. The instructors in my office were very sharp and were always able to put the car the car back together in time for the trip home, even including the extra bugs placed by the techs.

Piss poor answer...(pun intended), there 'was' a problem with the design of the separator, the holes were too small and not enough of them (by your own statement).

Don't be so GD arrogant, you're not above making errors, it's easy, just say "oops, sorry, my error"... see?...it's easy.

There was and is no problem as evidenced by the OVERWHELMING number of V6 engines that have not 'gelled' simply because MOST people get appropriate oil services. But to accomodate the the neglectful, the small change was made. But is this change enough? YOU don't know.

I never said the holes were too small nor did I say their number insufficient. But I will say your history of reading into a post what is not expressly stated is well known. :^)

And, of course, there are many who could name several Toyota dealerships with the same flaws. Point?

You lying POS!...look up about 45 lines IN THIS VERY POST!, there you'll see the following quote by YOU

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How about my apology now?

I heard Bush admitted a few mistakes today. Maybe there is hope for Phillip.

The POS is floating between your ears. I CLEARLY stated the fact of what Toyota did. I did not express an opinion about the need for Toyota to make any modification to the oil vapor separator. In fact I did state the overwhelming number of V6 owners change their oil on schedule which is the primary reason MOST V6 oil separators remain operating as intended.

I've have addressed and accurately shown your propensity to infer what is not stated is quite intact. You owe me an apology ... a payment I have no expectation of receiving. :^P

In a pig's arse philip, in a pig's arse...you really don't care what people think of you do you?...poor under endowed little guy...

"People"? How many people are still resident inside your head?

Since this is at least the 2nd personal barb you've hurled, I've won on the facts.

Personal barbs?...I'm a holy terror aren't I?...mothers cover their kiddies ears while in my presence...

Facts?...judging by your recent use of them you wouldn't recognize a fact if one reared up and bit you on the arse...

Their cars are less likely to break down, and it seems that the company isn't as stingy about reimbursing its dealers for warranty work, at least compared to Ford.

Facts Gord ... something you are in no position to judge.

I'll let you have the last word.

The people who've had good experiences with Ford and crappy experiences at Toyota dealerships wouldn't agree.

I'm sure there are some people whose Yugos have been perfect and their Hondas have been lemons, but the odds favor the Honda owners.

According to the Yugo dealers I visited, there was no such thing as a perfect Yugo - 100% came back for warranty repairs. Anyone out there have a perfect Yugo?