2000 Sienna PCV / Oil Leak / Check Engine Light

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It's been quite a while since I last posted.  My 2000 Sienna, with
just over 153,000 miles so far, has been very reliable.  I do most of
the routine maintenance and minor repairs myself..

My oil change interval always has been 3000-4000 miles (usually in the
low 3000's).  For the first 15,000 miles, I had used conventional
Mobil 5W30.  Since then, I've been using Mobil 1 -- most recently the
"high mileage" version that is formulated for better seal swelling
properties.  I also change my pcv valve (using a Toyota OEM part)
every 15,000 miles.

When I changed the oil 3000 miles ago, I couldn't get the usual Mobil
1, so ended up buying WalMart's house brand, fully synthetic 5W30.
The purpose of this post is not to malign WalMart, because I've read
that their full synthetic is a very high quality oil.  However,
unfortunately, after a few weeks of using this oil, I started noticing
that oil was oozing out around the valve cover gasket, and dripping
onto the exhaust manifold (and burning) and/or onto my garage floor.
I attribute this to the fact that this oil probably doesn't swell the
engine seals as effectively as the high-mileage Mobil 1.

After the WalMart synthetic had been in the engine for about 2000
miles, the "check engine light" came on.  I noted that the oil still
looked nice and clean, and I'd only lost less than 1/2 quart due to
seepage during those 2000 miles (and I don't think I'd used or burned
any oil).  Also, there has never been any smoke coming out of the
tailpipe or any other sign of engine sludge.  For some reason, I
decided to investigate the condition of the pcv valve (which also had
only 2000 miles on it).  I found that it had a coating of oil on the
intake portion of the valve (i.e., the part that is inserted into the
rubber grommet in the engine manifold) and, most importantly, it
seemed to be clogged.  I shook it, but there was no rattle.

So I replaced it with a brand new pcv valve and, lo and behold, after
just a few cycles of driving the van, the check engine light went back
off and stayed off for about 1000 miles.

Just a few days ago, after about 3100 miles with the WalMart oil, I
did another oil change (back to the Mobil 1 high mileage oil).  The
WalMart oil still looked pretty good.  There had been no large loss of
oil, and I saw no sign of any sludge or solids in the drained oil.
But the next day, after driving around a little with the Mobil 1 in
the engine, the check engine light came back on for the first time in
about 1000 miles.  So I checked the new pcv valve (in use only about
1000 miles), and it once again had a coating of oil on its intake
portion, and it also seemed clogged (i.e., would not rattle).  So I
cleaned it out with a carb cleaner spray, blew it out with a
compressor, and it seemed like new again.  I reinstalled it and then,
today (after just a few cycles of driving with the clean pcv valve),
the check engine light went off again, and has stayed off.

I don't have an OBD reader, so I don't know the code for the CEL event
that just occurred.  I've read that a clogged pcv valve would NOT
trigger a check engine light.  However, this is what seems to have
happened these last two times.

When the van reaches about 180,000 miles, I plan to bring it to my
local garage to replace the timing belt and to have the valves
adjusted.  At that time, I will ask them to look closely to see
whether there are any blockages in the engine, and hopefully they'll
be able to stop any remaining new leaks when they install new gaskets
and seals.  Between now and then, I intend to clean or replace the pcv
valve at every oil change.

Does anyone have any ideas about what is going on, or any suggestions
about this?  Thanks for your help.


Re: 2000 Sienna PCV / Oil Leak / Check Engine Light



You spin an interesting tale, but to no avail. There is nothing to do until
you pull the code that turned the check engine light on. Lots of places will
pull the codes for free, and for the price of paying the dealer to do it
once, and at most twice, you can buy your own code reader and pull codes
anytime you want and as often as you want for whomever you want.

You throw good money after bad by changing the oil far too often -- you buy
expensive oil that is designed for long life, and then change it as if it is
the crap that they put in Grandpa's engine in the decades that followed the
invention of the wheel.

You drive a car that is closing in on 15 years old, and are asking why it
leaks. Age, my friend. Age. The leak and the light are not likely related,
and the oil you use and the light are not related. You are taking steps to
fix stuff, but you don't know what to fix.




Re: 2000 Sienna PCV / Oil Leak / Check Engine Light



I doubt the Wal*Mart oil is a factor. Most likely you eninge is suffering
from excessive blow-by, likely related to worng rings. The appearance of oil
leaks and the coating on the PCV valve point to this BUT, it is only a
guess. Next time the light is on, take your car to the local AutoZone and
get them to read the codes for you. Regardless of the codes, a plugged PCV
valve can contribute to oil leaks by allowing pressure to build up inside
the crankcase and valve cover.

Ed



Re: 2000 Sienna PCV / Oil Leak / Check Engine Light

Jeff and Ed,

Thanks for your thoughtful replies.  I really appreciate that
knowledgeable individuals are still taking the time to participate and
help others in this forum.  A few years ago, at least 90% of the posts
here actually had to do with Toyota ownership and maintenance, while
fewer than 10% of the posts were by trolls, political zealots, and the
lunatic fringe.  Unfortunately, that 90/10 ratio now seems to have
reversed to 10/90.  It is the price and the blessing of living in a
free society.

I agree that an OBD reader might be a good investment at some point.
Ironically, this Sienna is the first vehicle I've ever owned (in more
than 32 years of car ownership and maintenance) where I've had to deal
with a check engine light.  I get the idea that, even if I'm able to
pull the code(s), there sometimes can be quite a bit of additional
diagnosis and intuition involved.

So far, each of the CEL incidents has coincided with (if not been
caused directly by) a clogged pcv valve.  Each time that I cleaned or
replaced the valve, the CEL turned off after a few driving cycles.
So, even without the benefit of an OBD reader, I think I had
reasonable intuition about the condition of the pcv valve (after I saw
all the oil seepage from the engine).

I guess I shouldn't be surprised to be seeing increased blow-by after
153,000 miles.  The strange thing is that I haven't seen any evidence
that the van is burning oil.  Since there hasn't been much time/
mileage since the last oil change (to the Mobil 1 High Mileage), it
may take a while for me to see whether this oil actually reduces the
blow-by, reduces the oil seepage, and allows the pcv valve to stay
unclogged.  I have to believe that different oils have different
properties, and that some would be better than others at reducing blow-
by (without simply switching to a higher weight oil).  I will post
again after I've had a chance to see whether there's been any
improvement.

Finally, as for the short oil change intervals with synthetic oil,
this was a conscious (if not very economical) decision, based on two
factors:
(1) 5-quart jugs of the Mobil 1 are relatively inexpensive at Walmart.
(2) Normally I would run the Mobil 1 for an oil change interval of at
least 5000 miles (as I do in another car that I own), but am
deliberately committing "overkill" here since the Sienna's engine
seems very sensitive to sludge formation.

I'll post again after I see how the van is doing over the next 1000
miles or so.  If the CEL comes on again, I'll definitely buy an OBD
reader and will report back with the code(s).

Thanks again for sharing your expertise.

Ron

Re: 2000 Sienna PCV / Oil Leak / Check Engine Light

Jeff, Ed and NM5K,

I just wanted to report back.  After about four months and 3000 miles, the =
Mobil 1 High Mileage oil seems to be improving the situation.  The total oi=
l loss during the last 3000 miles (with total mileage on the van now over 1=
56,000 miles) has been less than a half-pint -- i.e., next to nothing.  I a=
lso am seeing less evidence of seepage: There are only a few drops of oil o=
n the garage floor after 3000 miles (much less than I was seeing before), a=
nd I don't smell nearly as much oil burning (caused by dripping onto the ex=
haust manifold).  The check engine light also has not come back on.  I did =
notice that the pcv valve was a little gunked up.  Although it still rattle=
d somewhat, it definitely did not rattle completely freely, and there was a=
 coating of oil on the discharge end of the pcv.  So I cleaned it with carb=
 spray.  It now rattles freely again.  I realize this may be a bandaid appr=
oach (i.e., using the "high mileage" version of Mobil 1 and cleaning the pc=
v valve every 3000 miles) to reduce seepage and keep the pcv valve clean, b=
ut I'm hoping that it will continue to minimize the problems until I can ha=
ve everything taken apart at 180,000 miles.

If the check engine light comes back on, I will pick up an OBD reader and l=
et you know what I see.

Thanks again.

Ron

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