Another sign of GM's desperation

IIRC, they *were* sold in the US, but no longer - because they basically bombed.

Cathy

And Mike is the foremost authority in non-factual statements.

Nobody has ever called it that succinctly before, Gordon.

LOL

Thanks!

Natalie

It is??? Damn, there sure are a lot of "dummies" around here.

I meant April 06 to April 07.

Thanks for catching this.

Jeff

Are you kidding, of course a Corolla is worth 30% more than a Sonata. You're comparing perfection with crap.

And when you look in the mirror the anal sphincter you see says what to you?

It says there's still a heap of shit there.

I'll bet he discovers that his Avalon is no slouch when fully loaded. If he has the 3.0L V6, it's the same as in my Sienna, probably .3 tons heavier to start, and we routinely go on vacation with 6, fully equipped with clothes for a wedding and camping equipment (yes, both in the same vacation) and it moves.

A new V6 Avalon is quicker than a new Northstar V8 Buick Lucerne. Go test-drive both and let us know what you discover, OK?

You'll get yet another interesting lesson at the gas pump, especially when compared with the Grand Marquis. Let us know what you discover there, OK? Take lots of cash; you'll need it.

However, in the "even a broken clock is right twice a day" sense, Mike has picked up on one true thing - the Japanese should be worried about the Koreans (and the Indians).

And, to no one's surprise, they are. Unlike Detroit, the Japanese choose to fight the Koreans. The emphasis on quality and value is still there; they're committed to making money on small, economical cars, as opposed to giving up and just selling gas-guzzling SUVs to people with more money than brains (the Detroit Plan) and pretending that a gas prices will never spike and give the gas-guzzler business a good thumping...

But I digress. They choose to fight the Koreans all across the board, including small cars. So, both Honda and Toyota have introduced new, very affordable cars with excellent fuel economy (a problem for the Koreans), the Fit and the Yaris. The Koreans are going to get some market share but at the expense of Detroit, not Japan.

Actually, this is what Ford and GM are doing in Asia and other 3rd world areas.

And Japan, too.

You don't think that Hyundai and Kia are taking market share from Honda and Toyota?

Jeff

So, why don't they do that here?

No, I don't. Toyota and Honda are, after all, increasing share, while Detroit is losing it. Japan may not be gaining share as fast as they might, otherwise, but Toyota and Honda are very profitable as it is.

If Hyundai and Kia are getting the market share that Toyota and Honda would have had, Hynudai and Kia are taking maarket share from Toyota and Honda, even if GM, Ford and DiamlerChrysler had that market share before.

Jeff

No. They are all taking share from Detroit. If Hyundai and Kia were "taking share" from Honda and Toyota, Honda and Toyota would be "losing share." This is not the case.

I don't know about Honda but it's not clear that Toyota could grow any faster, anyway. They appear to be running many plants at optimum capacity, so they probably couldn't ramp up production much in the short run. They have good margins; if they wanted to increase their share faster than they are, they'd probably look at more price cuts and givebacks.

Actually Toyota has plenty of excessive capacity in Japan. Toyota home market sales are down more than 10% so far this year. Fortunately for Toyota, they have a ready market in the US for the products they can't sell in Japan. Check the numbers - exports from Japan to the US were up significantly this year, while US Toyota production was actually flat, to a slight decrease. Toyota is using the US just like a good colonial master would - protect the home industry.

Ed

When you run out of facts to support you arguments we expect you will always resort to personal attacks as you always do. What's next vulgarities? LOL

mike

Perhaps in your opinion, the Corolla is indeed a great car but not worth anything near the selling price and certainly not worth the price for the parts. At least that what shows up when both are used in courier service. That is why the courier fleets are buying more Hyundai's today than Toyotas.

mike

Mike, your comments about how Toyotas retain a smaller percentage of the value of Fords shows that you make lots of non-factual statements. Or the one that the 200 cc engine that ford makes is bigger than the 1.8 liter engine that Toyota makes (ford makes a 2000 cc engine, not 200 cc

- unless they make small ones for their tractors). In addition, you said that Ford's Focus with the bigger engine is more fuel efficient than the

1.8 liter engine that Toyota makes, even though Ford's own comparison chart shows that is not the case and that the Honda Civic has an 1.8 liter engine that gets better mileage and has more power.

Gordon's comments are not a personal attack. Gordon's comments are a statement of opinion, one that is supported by your comments.

Mike, you stick your foot in your mouth way too much, especially when it is so easy for one (i.e., you) to verify one's (i.e., your) facts before stating them, and just as easy for others (e.g., me or anyone else with a working brain and internet connection) to verify them (or show that they are wrong).

Jeff

How come you guys are so interested in that part of the body? Is there something you are not telling us ;)