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The other attraction to nitrogen is that it doesn't expand and contract nearly as much with temperature like regular "pump" air.

They sell really neat things at your local Target and Walmart. They are called "tire pressure gauges" and "tire pumps." The latter have plastic plugs that plug into your power ports (aka cigarette lighters). They pump air into the tire. By using both of these devices, you can keep your tires properly inflated without relying on your mechanic, who might forget or set the tires to the wrong pressure.

I use 80% nitrogen. Most of the rest in oxygen. I get it out of the compressed air hose at my local gas station or out of the tire pump, described above.

When you use nitrogen, the nitrogen is made by cooling air until the condenses (liquifies). This separates the nitrogen and oxygen from the air. The oxygen is used for industrial uses and by hospitals.

The nitrogen is a ripoff. You don't get significantly better performance. It's not worth the $40.

You're far better off getting your own gauge and checking and adjusting the tire pressure once a week.

Jeff

That's incorrect. Nitrogen expands and contracts almost the same as air. The expand and contract and change pressure in a way that approximates the ideal gas law.

Pump air has more water vapor in it. The water vapor doesn't follow the ideal gas law because it condenses. However, the difference between air and nitrogen is not enough to make a difference, except under special conditions, like for NASCAR. For regular use, one is much better off using a pressure gauge and air much regularly than relying on nitrogen. And as far as saying that nitrogen stays in tires better: That's nonsense too. Air is 80% nitrogen.

Jeff

Jeff is correct in everything he says here. I wouldn't turn down an N2 fill if it were FREE, but for heaven's sake I would actually PAY for it.

Plain ol' air is already 78% N2 anyway! The other stuff that's in there won't make a darned bit of difference at normal usage conditions. Besides, if there's a leaky valve or nail in your tire the N2 will leak out every bit as fast as the mixed blend.

"ronbon" ...

A spam post offering us nitrogen refills for $40. Please go away. Tomes

Hey give the guy some slack, after all he's a Toyota buyer. Toyota dealers have been stealing trades and selling overpriced cars and smoke and mirrors to their customers from day one. What makes you think they would not be trying to sell a high profit idem like nitrogen to the same people that paid too much for their car, bought the extended service plan, gold package, paint sealant or fabric guard? LOL

mike

And, of course, Ford, GM and Chrysler dealers are 100% honest, never try to make more than enough profit to keep the dealership in business, especially on rare cars like special edition Mustangs or Vettes, and always give top dollar for tradeins.

Jeff

It is not a question of honesty, customers are not forced by buy extras, they have a choice. When I was in retail, as Group Sales Manager, the investor group I worked for operated multi-dealerships in six eastern states. One location has fifteen brands in one place. We sold just about every brand on the market. Indeed, you are correct for a change, we were told to try to sell every high profit thing on the market, with the sale if we could, to add to the gross.

The difference was it was much harder to give lower trade prices and sell all the smoke and mirrors to the buyers of domestic brands than import brands. We generally averaged 20% to 30% higher gross on import brands with packs and lower trades.

Before you comment further. I could not care less what you choose to believe on the subject. What I'm telling you is they way it is in the business. My one grandson is Sales Manager in one of the Groups VW / Mazda / Toyota stores, I got him transferred last year from a Chevrolet / Honda / Chrysler /Jeep store. The sales volume where he is now is lower but the grosses are much higher so he earn more money.

mike

They also raise orphans as well as spay and neuter your pets free of charge.

FWIW, A local chain in my area, including very successful Jeep / Chysler / Lincoln / Buick / GMC / Mazda / Ford dealerships on three huge lots, recently went totally bankrupt. The owner, a

70-something year old guy mad at his family, blew his entire fortune and the corporation's future on a cutie down south, then died. He drove the entire corporation out of business, eliminating over 200 jobs.

While most of the vehicles have been picked up by the manufacturers and shipped to other dealers, the Jeep dealership still has a lone '06 Wrangler with one wheel sitting in front of it. Three of the wheels and the spare were stolen, leaving the poor thing sitting on it's brakes. It kind of sez' it all.

I feel bad for most of the employees. The company was over 50 years old, and some folks had been there for a long, long time. I bought my last Wrangler from them and the service dept. (needed often for warranty work on new Jeeps ) was quite good. The owner's kids, now in their 40's, were pompous asses. As for them, something like this couldn't have happened to nicer folks...

Deanships come and go. There is an abandoned Lexus dealership just north of Dover Delaware as well. Some of the dealership our group bought were purchased with intent of shutting them down. Most domestics had too many dealerships. It is not unusual even today to find a Ford dealership fifteen miles apart in most northeastern states. ;)

mike

The Ford dealerships need to be 15 miles apart. That is about how far a Fix Or Repair Daily will run.....till it needs a dealer stop... ;-)

There are 15 Toyota dealers and 24 Ford dealers within 15 mi. of where I live. Obviously, a lot of these dealers are withing 15 mi of each other.

There are far more Ford dealerships than Toyota dealerships. That adds costs for Ford with having to support more dealerships. And which of the two companies sells more small vehicles in the US? Ford does. Barely, by about 1.5%.

(By "find a Ford dealership fifteen miles apart", I think you mean find Ford dealerships with 15 mi. of each other - with your poor English skills, it's often unclear what you mean.)

Jeff