OT: And it's 1, 2, 3 what are we fighting for....

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Either watch the whole 14 minutes, or shut the f*ck up.

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JoeSpareBedroom
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I watched the video. Here are my observations:

The entire pretense of the report is false. Bob Simon starts out by stating "We now know Saddam Hussein had no Weapons of Mass Destruction." This is completely false. Everyone knows he had them because he used them on Iran and the Kurds of his own country. Furthermore he never offered up proof that he destroyed them after the Gulf War. Whatever he had left before the second invasion got shipped off to Syria for safe-keeping or maybe even a fire sale.

Curve Ball was found to be legitimate enough by the German intelligence agency that his interrogations were shared with other agencies around the world. It appears there were parallels with other collected reports otherwise he would have been exposed as a fraud long before the US had any backing of foreign countries. They don't just take one guy's story and accept it as Gospel. They verify with other sources and/or evidence.

George Tenet, a Bill Clinton holdover, advised President Bush Curve Ball's reports had made the case against Saddam Hussein a "slam dunk". What is the President to do? He has Cabinet and Agency members he must trust to give him accurate reports. He makes decisions based upon the information he receives. Maybe it is George Tenet who has been the most negligent and the one person who is most responsible for the Iraq War for his convincing testimony to the President.

Even though Curve Ball was eventually found to be a fraud the fact remains that the CIA is responsible for disseminating the information it receives and making an analysis of what it means. The entire intelligence community fell down on the job, causing a series of decisions to follow one another based on some bad information.

The report doesn't change anything anyway. Saddam Hussein had WMDs and he had shown that he would use them. He had had secret meetings with representatives of Al-Qaeda and it was only a matter of time for him to take revenge upon the country that had reduced him to a paper tiger. We did the right thing by taking him out and creating a cistern to trap the terrorists who perpetrated that horrific attack upon innocent civilians on September 11, 2001. Although if you ask the discredited professor from Colorado the terrorists were the people in the Twin Towers.

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badgolferman

Utterly and completely devasting and damning evidence of incompetence and dishonesty against...

.....George Tenet.

Ironically, CBS provides evidence that President Bush is no more guilty of lying to the world about Iraqi WMDs than Colin Powell or anyone else duped by Tenet's foolhardy stint as DCI.

And yet Bush still gave him that medal. Incredible.

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witfal

What is truly sad is that this was known before the war. Nonetheless expect the the mindless sheep of the Church of Bush to give invalid excuses and falsehoods.

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rantonrave

Saddam used WMDs in the 1980s, well before the Gulf War of 1990-91, whose settlement forced him to give up WMDs. IOW The Real President Bush eliminated the WMDs.

Saddam offered lots of proof, most significantly, allowing UN inspectors, who turned out to be right. Even in 2003, before GW Bush started The Moron's War, Saddam was sending crates of papers and CD- ROMs documenting all his weapons programs. The only reason the inspection process stopped was because GW Bush threatened war.

There's no evidence for that, according to then-chief US of the Iraq Survey Group, David Kay. But if that's where the WMDs went, why havent any been smuggled back into Iraq by insurgents who've easily crossed the Syria-Iraq border? The insurgents, many of whom were members of Saddam's Republican Guard and therefore had WMD training, haven't used a single WMD in the war. Why not?

"And/or"??? What's with everybody using the incorrect "and/or"?

Almost everything was based on Curveball, who's a brother of one of Anmed Chalabi's top aids, and German and American intelligence agencies thought him to be an unreliable source, as the head of German Intelligence wrote in the letter to DCIA George Tenet that was quoted by the 60 Minutes report . Also intelligence people know that the vast majority of information given to them by individuals is baloney

-- look at how skeptically British and American intelligence treated even Oleg Penkovsky, a person whose identity they knew for certain.

That was a big mistake by him, especially because GW Bush had virtually no knowledge or common sense about international matters. Tenet should have had the CIA write some Curious George books to everything to GW Bush in a clear manner that even he couldn't get wrong.

Tenet was an incompetent who liked to shmooze with the powerful to get power. Cheney was an incompetent who didn't believe in democracy and wanted the US to control the world's oil supply. The National Security Council was dominated by University of Chicago neo cons who lived in an ivory tower world and were known in The Real President Bush's administration as "The Crazies". GW Bush was an uneducated, inexperienced man-boy with a big, big chip on his shoulder against the smart guys and his war hero father. So put garbage information into GW Bush's garbage brain, and out comes garbage like the Iraq war. Common sense was completely missing when GW Bush decided to invade Iraq.

President Truman said, "The buck stops here." GW Bush instead believes, "It's not my fault".

He hadn't used them well over a decade, probably because he didn't have any and didn't have any delivery mechanisms. IOW Daddy Bush had done a good job.

That makes no sense because Arab secular nationalists, like Saddam, hate Muslim fundamentalists, like al Qaeda, plus Saddam saw al Qaeda as a theat to his rule.

We did the wrong thing by taking him out because it was against our interests. Saddam offered secular government and relative stability in a region that's a powder keg, he kept al Qaeda out of Iraq, was deluded that America was on his side, and served as a counterforce against Iran. And he was the most useful of American puppets because he didn't seem like a puppet to his countrymen, a convenient fact that we failed to exploit.

Saddam could have been handled with just a few hundred cruise missiles, and he would have been out of power in a year and we wouldn't be stuck in the Iraqi quagmire.

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larry moe 'n curly

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