OT: Do I disagree with Sharpton?

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Then why did the cops say 'they thought they saw a weapon' instead of the car running them down?

tions

Fear was probably the first reaction that started the initial shot, the remainder of them were mob mentality.

first of all, I know for sure it's not "at his own wedding". Second, I don't know about this, but whether he has "done nothing wrong" is in dispute. Some source says that he may have tried to drive his car at the cops.

I sometimes think that percentage may be higher than the general public. When I was in Air Force basic training in the mid 60's it was the lowest IQ enlistees who ended up going to AP training. All of the kids from my 350 member high school class that went into law enforcement were either at the bottom of the class or were the gang members and trouble makers of the class.

On the other side, why would anyone with half a brain want to put their life at risk every day for a population that either hates you outright or simply has no respect for what you have to put up with. There isn't enough money in the world to pay me to do their job. It is probably the most thankless job in the world.

This case though really stinks and sounds like the cops were totally out of control.

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Here's a good illustration of your theory about stupid out of control cops.

Don't bust his chops on this one, dbu, because he has history on his side. Reading any of the literature written by the Founding Fathers at the time of the creation of the 2nd amendment makes it very clear that the citizenry is supposed to own guns to keep things the gov't from randomly executing people w/o fear of reprisal.

I'm not saying this is what happened in this case, but I am saying that JSB understands how guns fit into the bigger picture.

Tom Jones isn't dead yet, but I'm pretty sure when he goes that his ghost will only haunt Vegas showrooms.

Nice said. But he still won't believe it in the chaos that is his "mind".

Then the judge who decided the case (there was no jury -- what defense lawyer is dumb enough to waive a jury tria?) should be impeached for not knowing better.

Well, once the cops start shooting, they fire more bullets than they realize. And they do it in much less time than they realize.

I don't know if the man who was killed even heard the cops say they were police (there's know way to know now), but the police also heard the guys who were in the car say something about guns.

In addition, some of the cops involved were minorities.

I don't think this was a racial thing at all. It was a case of police having reasonable fears about their lives and taking proper action.

Very sad, but so was the incident in which a crane that killed seven people when it collapsed on the Upper East Side about 20 km away from the shooting.

Jeff

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Cops have a hard job to do. Two volunteer axillary police officers were shot to death in NYC about 2 years ago. Police officers are risk every day because of their jobs and because they wear their uniforms.

IMHO, police deserve a great deal of respect. And most (not all) earn it.

Jeff

While there were may have been flaws in the police training, unless they can with 100% certainty teach police who to tell when someone is going for a gun, there will be similar incidents in the future, hopefully, less commonly going forward. Considering there are around 10,000,000 people in NYC, including many who do commit crimes, this sort of thing is relatively rare in NYC. I hope with better training, this sort of thing becomes even rarer.

Jeff

Gee, the defense attorney and defendants apparently knew what they were doing when they went for a trial without a jury.

I suspect that they knew that a judge would look at the facts of the case, rather than be swayed by emotions and racial tensions. And, considering that the Bell was driving a car at the police, the police heard them talk about getting guns, they had reason to believe that they saw a gun, and that the police took reasonable steps to announce that they were cops and present, I believe that the judge came to the right verdict, that there was reasonable doubt about their guilt.

Jeff

They had reason to believe he was armed and dangerous and he FAILED to obey orders.

done nothing wrong, 50 times, at

black. However, it does appear that

yup dude didnt recognize he was black and forgot the popo's white/black double standard...

white guy in a car is reaching for the newspaper... black guy in a car is reaching for a gun...

white guy does powder cocaine he goes to rehab... black guy does crack cocaine and goes to prison...

i blame all black people who have failed to learn white mans law...

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shoot them all, theyre just people... (damn, that was heston like)

soylent black is fertilizer!!!

Right, just like on "Cops" show: They run their cruiser in front of a fleeing vehicle and if there's a collision they call that "assaulting a police officer."

And it seems black officers are more loyal to their fellows and department than race.

I don't know how many police you've known personally but I find they lie as much as, or more than, anyone else.

dennis in nca

I learned many years ago how quickly a jackboot mentality can be acquired. My reserve unit was asked to be traffic control after an out of control wildfire took out many houses in an upscale part of town. All one Sunday we manned intersections to keep rubberneckers out of the affected areas, and after an hour on our posts, we were no longer polite, or understanding, but very authoritarian and unyielding to requests of motorists. By the end of the day, my mindset was just like that of a traffic cop - "I'm right and you're wrong - deal with it."

They didn't say a car was trying to run them down? Funny - all the news reports mention it. You mean that wasn't brought out in court. You can't really believe that. IOW I think you're lying when you say they didn't say a car tried to run them down.

Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter 'x')

Not lying. The only news reports i've heard were the issue of whether they had a gun or not. The officers were in fear of their lives cuz they 'thought they saw a gun'. If they were being runned down by a car, then they have the right to shoot, but i didn't hear anything about them being chased down by an unmarked car.