Where do you live in a cave? Get your facts straight, this President has asked the Congress for more money for alternate fuels than any President in our history. The problem lies with the Dims in Congress that will not allow the Presidents energy bill, passed by the House, to get to the floor of the Senate for an up or down vote . Send your letters to the DNC, WBMA
YOU can help to REDUCE our dependence on imported oil TODAY, by using less of it. Reduce your consumption of some of the millions of the things that use the carbon components that we get from crude oil like the plastics products used for, TVs, cell phones, cars, trucks, furniture, home siding, windows, yard tools, wheels, buckets, medicines, clothing, shoes, PCs, printers, copiers, desks, paints, deodorants, hair spray, detergents, cleaners, rugs and etc.
Buy less of the things that requires use of the fuels we get from crude for production of food, transportation, electricity, construction, home heating etc., you might even drive less "Linda".
Alas in the end under the constraints of the current environmental laws, we could not produce, transport, distribute or store, ENOUGH of any of the alternate fuels to eliminate importing crude. At best, we can reduce the amount we import. ;)
mike hunt
High gas prices have created a new group of people -
> "pump grumblers."
> When pumping our high priced gas, we grumble words of
> resentment, while feeling powerless. We need gas, so
> we pay the price. Standing as a individual we are
> powerless, but together our voices would be heard.
> America is a strong, independent country.
> When John Kennedy proposed we put a man on the moon, a
> goal and time line was set. American determination
> made it happen. Let's apply the same initiative to
> independence of oil through alternative energy
> research and use. We already have brilliant minds who
> are making great strides towards this goal.
> Demand that the President stand up for us.
> Ask him to support Alternative energy to free us from
> oil dependence,
> starting today. Millions of letters cannot be ignored.
>
> Write a paper letter before July 4 to the President.
> Urge friends and family to do the same.
> President Bush
> The White House
> 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
> Washington, DC 20500
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Are you referring to the "alternative energy bill" that includes more deductions for the oil companies that made record profits last year? The only way in which this bill involves "more money for alternate fuels" is to add those general tax deductions for the oil companies in as though they were actually money for alternative fuels.
Which they're not. Some will got into executive salaries. Some will be distributed to stockholders. Some will go to lobbyists. Some will go to development of conventional resources. Of course, if you spend a few million on lobbyists and get a couple of billions back in tax deductions, that's a pretty good investment strategy, now, isn't it?
If the President would like to introduce a bill that involves real incentives to develop real alternatives rather than just ExxonMobil richer, I'm sure the Senate will zip it right through.
It's rather late for this endorsement of Carter's policies. The Repugs strippe CAFE, for instance, of all meaning over 10 years ago.
Imagine the foolishness of an idea of allowing energy companies, with an in place distribution system and R & D facilities, to keep some of the billions they would pay in taxes to developed new source of energy. It makes more sense to take more of their money, and give SOME of it to others as a government gift to spend on executive salaries, distributed to stockholders, and pay lobbyists. I bet some will even go to development of conventional resources.. LOL
You're right! Their in-place distribution system, existing R&D facilities, ability to sell back to us our own oil at spot-market prices and a deduction for each barrel they pull out isn't enough of a competitive advantage. Not nearly. Let's give them MORE tax breaks, too.
Idiot.
No, wait, you have previously demonstrated limited comprehension of idiomatic English usage. I shall be more clear:
A good proportion of what you say is manufactured overseas. Business has successfully played a shell game with crude and as a result we import more crude than in the 70's but not as much as it would be if the manufacturing climate had remained the same. I've made suggestions (close restaurants on weekends for example) as a way to stop the frivolous waste of energy and all I get is shit comments about not telling business what to do or how it would put out some people because they don't want to cook. How about glass for soda bottles? Oh no! Too heavy. How about natural bonemeal or blood meal instead of fertilizer from crude? Oh no! Takes too long. The government plays games with tax deductions and tax credits by turning them on and turning them off. People who fear losing that traditional car to a hybrid berates those who buy hybrids. It's not cost effective!! blah blah blah. No real savings. blah blah blah. And probably the best is Thank you for using less so I can race around in my sports car. The real war is happening right here. Coast Guard may end up killing the Cape wind project. What the f*ck!!! Might think we were trying to put a trash incinerator on Martha's Vineyard. Best thing that could happen for us is to shut the crude tap off completely. Period. Fat people would lose weight. Go to bed early. Manage time better. Get a job closer to home and buy a home closer to work.
And instead of burning fuel oil and natural gas in power plants we need to get more atomic power plants on line like France has. We have been bamboozled by the environmental nut cases and the politicians are equally to blame for patronizing them.
My dear fried Idiot, if for some reason the US could go completely over to hydrogen or ethanol over night to run our vehicles, (both of which cost more than gasoline to produce,) under current environmental laws it would take ten to fifteen years and many billions of dollars to get a distribution system in place to distribute the stuff throughout the US. We would still need to import crude to obtain the carbon stock we currently use since gasoline is merely a byproduct of refining that needs to be consumed or burned off at the refinery.
Perhaps, but we would suffer the deepest worldwide depression in history. That would not be a problem for long, since the population would starve in a year or so. LOL
Actually with the Presidents urging the Congress has changed to process of acquiring a Nuclear plant license. Seventy-five applications have been submitted to the NRC. Unfortunately it will take 20 years before they all go on line. Energy experts suggest we need more than 150 to eliminate coal, which currently supplies around 55%, as the primary fuel for electrical generating stations.
Actually what I meant to say was to shut off the foreign oil and use only what we pump. It's gonna come down to that anyway. Like it or not the world is our slave. We export fuel to Japan so she can make products for us. We convinced China to go capitalist, import fuel, make products for us. We export coal like no tomorrow all over the world. We have more stored energy in coal than the rest of the world has in petroleum. We don't have enough uranium to go independent.
Back in the 80's there was a warning we were at odds with other countries competing for raw materials. Ironically (no pun intended), the finished products come back to us anyway. I'm still hoping we can lasso a asteroid, mine it for it's minerals and pay off the national debt. Skip the moon. It's only made of cheese. LOL
It will not serve our strategic interests to run out of oil first.
What we should be doing is to manage demand in such a way that we drive prices down and, while prices are low, buy up their oil and run up our strategic reserves (and/or stop pumping our own).
Of course, we may have passed the point at which we could manage demand to that degree. Had we started aggressively curtailing oil use during the Carter Admnistration, as Carter wanted, we would have been able to do it.
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