Speaking of traffic fines

No wonder the truckers call it the Communist state. In my opinion the law will be overturned in federal court as a violation of the Commerce Clause, because of different costs to in and out of state drivers.

mike

Virginians Face $3,000 Traffic Ticket By Dennis Cauchon, USA Today Posted: 2007-07-01 15:18:05 Filed Under: Law, Nation (July 1) - Virginia is for lovers, or so the state slogan has declared since

1969. Starting today, Virginia also will be the home of the $3,000 traffic ticket. In an effort to raise money for road projects, the state will start hitting residents who commit serious traffic offenses with huge civil penalties.

Virginia issued new traffic penalties Sunday charging resident drivers exhorbitant (sic)fees for severe traffic violations.

Beginning Sunday, Virginia is adding new civil charges to traffic fines. They range from $750 to $3,000 and will be added to existing fines and court costs. The civil penalty for going 20 mph over the speed limit will be $1,050, plus $61 in court costs and a fine that is typically about $200.

The new civil charges range from $750 to $3,000 and be added to existing fines and court costs. The civil penalty for going 20 mph over the speed limit will be $1,050, plus $61 in court costs and a fine that is typically about $200.

Virginia's new traffic penalties are expected to raise $65 million a year and are part of an effort to improve the state's roads without raising taxes.

A first-time drunken driver will face a $2,250 civil penalty, plus fines and court costs that typically run about $500 or more. Driving without a license? That's a mandatory $900 civil penalty, in addition to the ordinary $100 for a fine and court costs.

"It's outrageous," says traffic court attorney Thaddeus Furlong of Springfield, Va. "When Mr. and Mrs. Middle Class find out what they have to pay, there's going to be a backlash like you've never seen."

Some other states impose extra civil penalties for traffic offenses, but the cost is usually $100 or $200, Furlong says. "What sets this apart is the Draconian size of the civil penalties," he says.

Another difference: The civil penalties apply only to Virginia residents, not out-of-state drivers. Virginians must pay in three installments over 26 months or lose their licenses. The state Legislature didn't think it could enforce the extra penalties in other states.

Motorist club AAA Mid-Atlantic supports the new penalties.

"These penalties are harsh, but normal fines haven't gotten people to drive sanely. Maybe this will," says Lon Anderson, spokesman for AAA Mid-Atlantic.

He says the new law will help reduce the nearly 1,000 traffic deaths the state records annually.

"We wish motorists didn't have to pay more, but the fact is Virginia's transportation trust fund is broke," Anderson says.

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Mike Hunter
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Well, actually it is the "Commonwealth" of Virginia but you're not far off the point. I seriously hope this law doesn't stay on the books long. It seems a bit excessive, especially for a state that has a billion dollar surplus. Maybe our new Democratic Governor has his fingers involved in this and managed to twist some arms in the Legislature.

Reply to
badgolferman

I am with the AAA on this one.

If these penalties will encourage people to drive better, so be it.

And I like the increased penalty for drunken driving.

I would like to see what all the fines are and compare them to the ones in other states.

Jeff

Reply to
Jeff

I'd have to agree- no one puts a gun to some one's head and FORCES them to drive drunk or without a license.

Reply to
sharx35

Nothing wrong at all with the DWI penalty. The rest is bizarre.

Next: Mandatory annual road and vision tests for all drivers over 65. You fail either and you better have taxi money for the rest of your life. Road test examiners must be under 40 years old for this, so nobody gets passed out of sympathy. We have way too many blind and dead people on the road.

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JoeSpareBedroom

I am all for most of the above. If the fine is high enough many will then pay attention to the laws. There is no reason to go 20 miles over the speed limit except maybe a short time to pass a slower moving car on a 2 lane road. Also driving without a license I like the idea of a few weeks in jail myself.

Funny how close to 50,000 people can get killed every year on the highways and no one seems to mind. Just let about 3000 get killed when a plane hits the sky scrapers and we goto war.

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Ralph Mowery

Do the traffic cops have a "quota" of tickets that they must write each month to show that they are "on the job" and "producing"? This was a problem several years ago in the state where I live. Lets hope that there are enough "actual" violators that they will not have to rely on a quota. Of course, if this fine is desperately needed, and drivers drive better to avoid the fine (and reduce needed income), then what do the traffic police do? Its almost as if the government is hoping for reckless drivers. Was it one of the Caesars who said: "Government stays in power by creating problems for which only they have the solution!" Nevertheless, Virginia is a beautiful state.

Reply to
Graybeard

Yeah, I don't mind the blind ones or the dead ones, but the ones who are blind *and* dead should certainly have their licenses revoked.

Reply to
Smitty Two

All the cops need to do is open their eyes and they can write tickets all day long, even if they ignore speed issues. Pull over everyone who's driving at half the speed limit on local streets. Some will be drunks, and some will be blind. There's a start.

A few years back, an old woman ran down two girls who were standing ON A CURB on a quiet residential street. A *real* curb made of stone. She drove away, but fortunately, a school bus driver (and a lot of kids) saw it happen. She told the police she thought the girls were garbage cans. (That made it OK???)

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JoeSpareBedroom

In Illinois, for many years they have had a special requirement for older drivers. I believe the age is around 70. They have to get an eye examine, take the results to the auto license examiner, who gets in the car passenger seat and requires the driver to drive around for several minutes while the passenger checks him out. If the senior passes, his license is renewed for 1 year. My Dad passed away 2 years ago at the age of 102. He held a valid drivers license at 101. The examiner made him drive around for 45 minutes. Dad said that he really didn't want to renew his license. He had never had an accident, had 20-40 vision, lived alone in his own home, and had never been in a hospital in his life. He chose not to renew his license at 102. He said that he felt that he was getting too old to still drive.

Reply to
Graybeard

The law should require that the examination be done by an opthalmologist, so there's a better chance that such things as peripheral vision will be checked.

Reply to
JoeSpareBedroom

Man, I hate to come down on the side of more government restrictions but I think this is a good idea; we could use it here (Tucson, Arizona). We really have little to no traffic enforcement. Red light running is very common (always check my rear view mirror when I stop for a red light) and speeding is the norm. From time to time I visit my old hometown, Seattle, and am always struck by the difference in driving style. I mean no one in Tucson drives at 25 mph, ever! More like 45 to 55 on town streets. I think we are beyond help without similar "draconian" measures. jor

Reply to
jor

They do, but it goes by other euphemistic names. ;-) (Acc. to my BIL, who's a retired cop.)

Cathy

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Cathy F.

When I first got into the car stereo biz in Long Island, we used to do CB installations for the Nassau County highway guys. While they were hanging around the garage, I'd ask them if they had quotas. The stock answer was "Nah....we can write as many as we want". Translation: Don't ask. This was before the Long Island Distressway was widened, so it was impossible to speed. There was simply too much traffic. These guys made their quotas writing up gravel trucks for uncovered loads.

Reply to
JoeSpareBedroom

My eye exams have always included peripheral vision tests. This includes the vision portion of my FAA medical exam done by a "regular" (FAA approved) doctor, and annual vision exams done by my optometrist's assistant.

The only time I've ever seen an ophthalmologist was when I got fiberglass in my eye in a job site incident.

I don't see why you'd need to see a doctor capable of eye surgery to determine basic vision fitness.

Reply to
B A R R Y

LOL! I've been on the LIE only a couple of times - many years ago, but expressway it was not. ;-) Does the traffic actually move - & stay moving, now that it's widened?

Cathy

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Cathy F.

I've got weird astigmatism along with being very near sighted, so twice in

20 years, two different optometrists (at eyeglass dealers) have created prescriptions that were nothing short of bizarre. Since I have no patience for this nonsense, I go to an opthalmologist who gets it perfect. Obviously, not everyone needs this, but I do. Since I haven't been to an optometrist in ages, I had no idea they check peripheral vision.
Reply to
JoeSpareBedroom

In Nassau County, it's usually a pretty steady 40-ish mph during rush hour, unless some putz figures out some way of having an accident at that speed. That's a huge improvement compared to the 1970s when I commuted there. Suffolk County's even better. You can actually get a speeding ticket there almost any time you want.

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JoeSpareBedroom

Coincidentally, my brother who lives in Washington State just sent me this list of their fines: jor

New Driving Fines for 2007

  1. Carpool lane - 1st time 68.50 starting 7/1/07 (The 1 posted on the highway is old). Don't do it again because 2nd time is going to be double. 3rd time triple, and 4th time license suspended.
  2. Incorrect lane change - 0. Don't cross the lane on solid lines or intersections.
  3. Block intersection - 5
  4. Driving on the shoulder - 0
  5. Cell phone use in the construction zone. - Double fine as of 07/01/07. Cell phone use must be "hands free" while driving.
  6. Passengers over 18 not in their seatbelts - both passengers and drivers get tickets .
  7. Speeders can only drive 3 miles above the limit.
  8. DUI = JAIL (Stays on your driving record for 10 years!)
  9. As of 07/01/07 cell phone use must be "hands free" while driving. Ticket is 5. They will be looking for this like crazy - easy money for police department
Reply to
jor

There are a lot of things you have no idea about but it is good to see you are beginning to realize your fallibility. Maybe this can be the start of something positive in your life, something that will help you to stop being so angry and resentful.

Reply to
badgolferman

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