Toyota, GM, and Ford differences

I spent over thirty years of my life as a automotive design engineer, retiring in 1986 at age 60. Your recollection is a bit foggy. FWD cars cost more for manufactures to build than the larger RWD vehicles they replaced. Chrysler had to sell their new smaller 4 cy FWD cars for at least 20% more than the larger V8 and 6 cy RWD cars they replaced, to earn a profit. The economies of scale of using one chassis to make ten variation of the same basic vehicle chassis was what enabled Chrysler to afford the billons to convert their assembly plants to FWD.

mike hunt

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Mike Hunter
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It is good that we are in agreement

I have sometime misunderstood your posts

Reply to
gosinn

I'm glad we can agree that more buyers buy GM, Ford, and Chrysler vehicles than Toyota because THEY obviously believe the brand THEY buy is the best value for money, best customer care, and best quality

mike hunt

because THEY obviously believe the brand THEY buy is the best value for money, best customer care, and best quality ;)

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Mike Hunter

Why do lying, top-posting idiots see attacks on Bush where there is none?

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dizzy

"Sales at Chrysler, GM and Ford are falling as buyers defect to Toyota, the worlds second-biggest automaker, and other Asian rivals."

------------------------- GM, Ford December U.S. Auto Sales Fall; Toyota Gains

Jan. 4 (Bloomberg) -- General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and DaimlerChrysler AG reported lower U.S. auto sales for a third straight month as Asian automakers led by Toyota Motor Corp. likely gained market share.

GM, the worlds largest automaker, said today its U.S. December sales fell 10 percent to 392,041 cars and trucks. Ford, the second-biggest U.S. carmaker, said its sales dropped 9 percent to 267,881, while DaimlerChrysler, No. 3 in the U.S., said Chrysler and Mercedes-Benz vehicle sales fell 2 percent to 220,641. Toyotas sales rose 8.2 percent to 203,279.

Cars and light trucks in the U.S. sold at an annual rate of 16.9 million units last month, down from 17.9 million a year earlier, according to a Bloomberg survey of analysts and economists. Sales in 2005 probably matched the 16.9 million of a year earlier.

The domestics have been suffering and the imports have been gaining, said Jeremy Anwyl, president of automotive data service Edmunds.com. The real question is: Whats going to happen in 2006?

Sales at Chrysler, GM and Ford are falling as buyers defect to Toyota, the worlds second-biggest automaker, and other Asian rivals. The declines are a reversal of gains in June and July, when U.S. carmakers offered employee discounts for all buyers. GM hasnt had a sales increase since July, and Ford reported lower U.S. sales each month since August.

Toyotas U.S. sales for all of 2005 rose 10 percent to 2.26 million vehicles, the biggest unit increase among all automakers.

General Motors

GMs December car sales fell 19 percent to 131,687 as models such as the Chevrolet Impala fell 22 percent and the Chevy Monte Carlo declined 36 percent.

Light-truck sales declined 4.7 percent as Chevrolet Suburban sport-utility vehicles fell 36 percent and the Chevy Tahoe dipped 12 percent. Sales of large pickups such as the Chevy Silverado rose 1.7 percent.

For the year, GM reported a 4 percent decline to 4.52 million vehicles.

Chrysler sales dropped 5 percent to 189,449 in December, the Stuttgart, Germany-based company said in a statement. The U.S. unit still posted its second straight annual U.S. sales gain. Mercedes-Benz sales in December increased 17 percent to 31,192, bringing them to a record for the year.

Chrysler started offering a debit card with $2,400 toward gasoline purchases along with free maintenance for two years and extended warranties on most 2005 and

2006 models after October sales fell 3.1 percent. Chrysler today extended the program until Jan. 9, when it will announce new incentives, spokesman Kevin McCormick said.

Ford

Sales of Dearborn, Michigan-based Fords F-Series pickup trucks, the best-selling line of vehicles in the U.S., fell 6.2 percent to 89,491. The company sold 901,463 F-Series in 2005, a 4 percent decline, while still hitting its target of selling at least 900,000 of the vehicles.

Nissan Motor Co., Japans No. 2 carmaker, sold 91,253 cars and trucks last month, down 1.1 percent from a year earlier, Jed Connelly, the automakers head of U.S. sales, said in an interview.

For all of 2005, Tokyo-based Nissan sold 1.076 million vehicles to U.S. drivers, up 9.1 percent from 2004 and the first time the company has exceeded 1 million units in a calendar year, Connelly said by phone from Nissans Canton, Mississippi, assembly plant.

Honda

Honda Motor Co.s U.S. December sales fell 3.3 percent to 132,800 cars and trucks. Cars posted a 16 percent decline, led by a 31 percent drop in Accord sedans, while light-truck sales rose

14.1 percent on an 18 percent gain in Pilot SUV sales and the addition of its Ridgeline pickup.

The Asians continue to stay the course, said David Lucas, an analyst with Autodata Corp.

A rise in gasoline prices to records last year helped cars regain market share against pickup trucks and SUVs for the first time in 25 years, benefiting Asian companies that sell smaller, more fuel-efficient vehicles, said John Murphy, an analyst with Merrill Lynch & Co.

GMs 2006 earnings per share forecast was cut by JPMorgan Chase & Co. today to 70 cents from $2.35 because planned cuts in manufacturing capacity and health-care costs wont have a significant effect on results until 2007.

Sales at Detroit-based GM, which along with Ford has depended on trucks and SUVs to boost profit, declined 3.8 percent through November, while Fords fell 4.3 percent.

Chevrolet

GMs Chevrolet ended 2005 as the biggest-selling nameplate in the U.S., with a total of 2.67 million vehicles sold. It was the first time since 1986 that Chevrolet reached No. 1, beating out Fords namesake Ford division with 2.65 million. Chevrolets TrailBlazer also took over from Fords Explorer as the top- selling SUV.

GMs total market share through November was down 1.3 percentage points from a year earlier to 26.2 percent. Ford dropped 1.2 percentage points to 18.6 percent.

Septembers hurricanes and $3 a gallon gasoline served as a turning point in consumer preference, Murphy wrote in a Dec. 22 research report. If this trend continues in 06, the Big Three, which rely heavily on light trucks for the majority of their sales, could experience accelerated market share losses.

Dubious

General Motors, which lost $4.8 billion in North America in the first nine months of 2005, had its credit rating reduced to below investment grade, or junk, last year as sales declined. Standard & Poors, in lowering GMs rating a fourth time in 2005, last month said falling sales of large SUVs made it dubious that the carmaker can restore North American profit with new models in 2006.

GM Chief Executive Officer Rick Wagoner said on Dec. 15 that even if the large SUV market doesnt recover in 2006, GM has a huge ownership base that will buy its next-generation models. GM will get a profit and sales boost by mid-2006 when redesigned vehicles are on the market, said Joseph Amaturo, an analyst with Calyon Securities in New York.

Global Insights Lindland said GMs market share will fall to 25.2 percent in 2006, and Fords will drop to 17.6 percent. Toyotas share will climb to 13.9 percent, allowing it to surpass Chrysler as third-biggest in U.S. sales. The market share for domestic automakers will end 2005 at 58 percent, down from 58.7 percent in 2004, and may decline to 56 percent in 2006, Lindland said.

Falling Sales

Robert Barry, an analyst with Goldman, Sachs & Co., estimated automakers can sell 16.8 million cars and trucks to U.S. consumers in 2006 as long as they lower prices aggressively.

While December was likely the biggest month since July, when GM, Ford and Chrysler offered employee prices to consumers, year-end incentives werent enough to push sales above year-ago levels.

Manufacturers incentives through Dec. 15 fell 8 percent from a year earlier, while dealer incentives rose 13 percent, according to Art Spinella, president of CNW Marketing Research in Bandon, Oregon.

Auto sales are expressed on an annualized basis to reflect seasonal shifts in buying patterns. Last years monthly seasonally adjusted rates ranged from 14.7 million in October to 20.9 million in July, according to Bloomberg data. Automakers have sold an average of 17 million vehicles annually in the U.S. this decade.

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gosinn

Stupid troll. I can't believe that even a top-posting retard like yourself is unaware that the front brakes do the vast majority of the work, especially on a FWD car.

Reply to
dizzy

1) Are you trying to gang three companies up against one, top-poster? 2) As usual, you are wrong. It's much more complex than that. For example, GM has a much broader range of products than does Toyota. This means their product is "just right" for more people. This is a separate issue from "value, care, and quality". Also, it's a well-known fact that millions of Americans will only buy American, irrespective of of which manufacturer offers the best "value, care, and quality" package.

Don't you tire of being wrong, troll?

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dizzy

If only you weren't a proven idiot and liar, your words might carry some weight, "Mike".

Reply to
dizzy

No kidding genius! Any fool even your should know that is why SOME cars are having problems with front brakes, because the rears are not doing what they were designed to do, and eating up pads and rotors while other are not have that problem. .

mike hunt

Bottom posting DZZY, idot, moron, stupid or whatever he is calling himself today wrote

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Mike Hunter
[top-posting deleted, unread]

Mike, why do you top-post? Top-posting violates usenet netiquette policy, makes it hard to understand your who or what post your post is referring to. And several people have told you that it is very annoying.

Why would you continue to do it? Do you want to annoy people or are you a newbie who doesn't know any better? If you are the latter, you should lurk for awhile, to see how the rest of the posters do it.

cordially, as always,

rm

Reply to
Realto Margarino

Toyotas Hybrids do not have any brake problems

When you want to brake the power is used to generate electricity

It is noce of you to points this out

Reply to
gosinn

Indeed GM and Ford are down and Toyota is up. But both GM and Ford as well as Chrysler are still out selling Toyota in big number in the US. The three top selling vehicle in the US are Ford, GM and Chrysler trucks. On the other hand Toytota trucks are just a blip of total vehicls sales. The number one selling vehicle, the F150, sold at a rate more than twice that of the number four selling vehicle, the Toyota Camry, albeit the nubmer one selling car. When it comes to cars contrary to what Toyota and our friend in the Toyota NG would have us believe both GM and Ford sold, not only more vehicles, but more cars as well. Just not in the same brand name and/or model. The fact is the Chevrolet Divison of GM alone sold more than all of Toyota, Lexus and Sion combined to take the number one brand spot for Ford after 19 years. GM sold far more than Toyota Motors, as did Ford Motor Company and Chrysler Corp.

mike hunt

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Mike Hunter

Why do bottom posting nuts like you post political stuff in automobile NG?

mike hunt

side of every issue? Chinas purpose is to reinforce its controlled currency which is over inflated, by slowing the GROWTH.of the dollar. ;)

Bottom post DizZy wrote

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Mike Hunter

Why? You cust did ;)

mike hunt

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Mike Hunter

When one post at the bottom it requires everyone to scroll all the way to the bottom to read the latest of a zillion posts, at times. By posting at the top one can quickly read the latest post. If not familiar with the thread, can then scroll to the bottom is they choose. I don't stay in a NG long enough to do all that. I read the post that interest me and reply to those where I have something to add to the discussion. Most post that have long lost the intent of the original poster to which I have replied and they are no longer are of interest to me. If you find my method of replying a problem, just skip my posts WBMA. ;)

mike hunt

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Mike Hunter

Perhaps in you small world but not in the real world. Just look at what is cross posted in the GM and Ford NG from the Toyota NG. No questions about Ford or GM products just anti GM and Ford BS from screwballs like you. . ; )

mike hunt

Toyota owners are always bashing other brands, particularly domestics. You seldom hear that in other NG. I think Toyota owners are trying to justify to themselves why they paid way to much for a vehicle that in reality no better than any other. LOL

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Mike Hunter

Mikey is not a newbie. Once again, from a user in the group he regularly pollutes (and we can't get him to go away, either)...

Please Don't Feed The Troll.

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Reply to
Bruce L. Bergman

I'll not waste time on your stupid logic, reread the post it is self explanatory. Buyer buy more of every completive model of GM and Ford vehicles rather than the one sold by Toyota with the exception of the Camry and they do so in big numbers.

mike hunt

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Mike Hunter

I have, and you haven't. Maybe you think too much of yourself, just as you think too much of GM.

Do you really LOL that often?

You also can't explain why Toyota owners liked their cars even back when they were cheaper than domestics.

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rantonrave

Sort your postings by date, not by thread.

If you sort your postings by date, there is no "top one." All the postings are the top posting. That's how most of us sort the postings after we have been around awhile.

You should cut away that part of the post that you are not interested in replying to. (it only takes a half a second) Then you just enter your prose underneath the text that you are referring to. This is especially important in larger postings.

Again, I point out to you, that you are either a newbie or you are trying to annoy the long time posters on usenet. It was long ago determined that bottom posting is the policy. You should really adopt it yourself and you will see how much better it is if you give it a chance.

cordially, as always,

rm

cordially, as always,

rm

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Realto Margarino

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